Schools in the Court Spring 2018
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Schools in the Court Spring 2018

(intense music) – Ladies and gentlemen,
good morning to you. – Good morning.
– Good morning. – Thank you.
– Good morning. – Thanks for the lifeline. I’ve had a slow morning
and I apologize to you. It’s 9:15 and we start
normally at 8:30. Moved it back today to nine and I’m already a
little bit late. It’s my fault, and I apologize
because I hate to be late. But I walked in, I just
wanted to get a look and see what’s going on in the
courtroom, before we started. I want to welcome you to the District Court of
Maryland County. My name is Shaem Spencer,
I get the chance (mumbling) of working in this courtroom,
this courthouse with most of the entire team up here
on a regular daily basis. We’ve asked you to come
today to sit with us, because we want to share
a few things with you. And by share, I mean
we wanna expose you to some things you
may not see everyday. I don’t think that
you get to see an actual criminal
plea every single day. I don’t know that you
get the opportunity to engage a chief
judge or district court of the entire state
on a daily basis. I don’t believe in your
school classrooms you get to see the superintendent come
to your classroom every day. I don’t believe you get to
see a shock trauma nurse. Nurse from the ER,
that sees some of the most tragic
events in our state. In one of the most
elite hospitals in
our state, every day. I don’t believe that in your
courtrooms, your classrooms, you get to see a trooper and
his partner comes to you and put on a presentation
to you every day. I don’t believe that
you get to speak to some of the most experienced
lawyers, trial lawyers, defense lawyers,
prosecutors, every day. I also don’t believe
you get to see the inner workings of the
courthouse, every day. Courthouses don’t consist
of just lawyers and judges. People that make this place run. People that make
this place work. The brains of the
operation, the backbone. People who allow us
to get our jobs done. My little job, is way down
here on the totem pole. I don’t believe you get to
experience the administrator of the courthouse
every single day, or the court staff
every single day. Those people sit
right back here. They’re not in the
front where the judge gets to sit at the top. They’re the ones that
make this building run. That’s important to you because,
in my opinion, the court… Whole, is important
for you to understand. I also don’t think you get to have fun with me
every single day. I’m a fun guy. (attendees laughing) I like to have fun, we’re
going to have some fun today. We’re going to talk to
you about a lot of things. Court stuff, life stuff. I brought entire team to help and I’m just one
member of that team. The team here, we’re
younger, older. – (attendees laughing) – Whoa, whoa. We’re handsome,
and less handsome. (attendees laughing) But we’re all here. I say that because we
have beautiful people and less beautiful people. I understand I’m not pretty
or handsome like her. I understand that,
I know my limits. I tell you this because we all have different life experiences. I was in high school
closer in time to you, than Old Guy here
was, it’s a fact. I tell ya that cause I know
you all in high school. We’re not the fun police today. We want to share something
that we see every day, all day, In our lives as judges
or lawyers or officers, educators,
administrators, clerks. We want to tell you about things that we see that
help make you think before you do things,
make good choices. That’s what we’re talking
about today, good choices. I hope when you leave
today, you think about making a good choice
and if only one of you makes one good choice,
our job is complete. Just yesterday, my boss made
me go to education class. See, I still take classes
on a regular basis. My boss, made me
take that class. I was there, I learned. See, I took notes, I
want you to make sure. That today, before
midnight today, 178 people will die from a
heroin overdose in this country. Today, 178 today. It’s 9:15, 9:17. Some of us will go to bed before
midnight, some of us won’t. But at midnight today, 178
will be dead from heroin. I learned that. I tell ya that because
I think it’s… Coming and coming and
coming and coming. Not to you though, cause you’re
going to make good choices. Now I know my boss is here. My other boss to my
left, your right, superintendent of the
schools Dr. Arlotto. Chief Judge Morrissey
and Dr. Arlotto allow this team assembled
to this program. By allow I mean, it’s
not just the schools, not just the courts,
it’s all of us. My full-time job is not
here, I have a full-time job. My part time job is doing this. I should be down the hall
hearing cases, but I’m not. Cause the boss let me do that. In my next life, I want to be
an educator, like Mr. Hood. I’ve known that man
for several years now. I’m inspired, I want to teach. Dr. Arlotto said when I retire, maybe I can come back
on and be a teacher. So combine my assets
and my skills, and my friends, that
allow me to do this. And by me, I mean the
team we’ve assembled. But it’s not just
because I want to, it’s they believe
in the program. They believe in it so much
that we’ve grown the program. Broadneck, you’re here, right? I haven’t seen y’all once now, since I’ve seen y’all,
so I’m happy you’re here. Old Mill, you’re here? You’re here every time,
I appreciate that. Harbor, where are you at? I know you all are here. I knew you were coming. I got my Harbor mug out today. I’m proud of my
Harbor mug, right? I like gifts. I like gifts, Broadneck. I have no Broadneck gear. No Broadneck apparel. Swag, I like swag. I tell you all that
because the schools allow us to do this
here in the courthouse. Dr. Arlotto allows
that to happen. Chief shuts the courthouse
down so we can do this. So before we go any further, I want to thank them publicly
for allowing us to do this. Chief Judge Morrissey,
Dr. Arlotto. I want to give them a
chance to welcome you on behalf of the judiciary
and School Board of Education. Chief?
– Thank you. – I appreciate it, sir. Thank you very much. Let me get out of your way. – All right, good
morning everybody. My name’s John Morrissey, I’m the Chief Judge
of the district court. – [Shaem] Okay, less handsome. – The district court is a
state-wide court system. So we range all the way from
Garrett County out west. Anybody ever been
to Garrett County? Go out skiing, out that way? All the way to Ocean
City, Maryland, where we have two courthouses. One in Snow Hill
down South Ocean City and one you’ve probably
seen on about 66th, 67th Street, right as
you come over the bridge. Hopefully you’ve never
been in that courthouse. Anybody been in that courthouse? Don’t raise your hand,
you shouldn’t do that. Because we’re a state-wide
system, that means, even though I’m from
Prince George’s County, I could be asked
to sit in any other jurisdiction in
the state because we have that type of
jurisdiction as judges. What Judge Spencer
forgot, by calling me old, is that I have the
ability to ask him to go sit in Oakland and
Garrett County tomorrow. (attendees laughing) – [Male Attendee] (mumbling) (Morrissey laughs) – [Shaem] It’s already decided. – The district court
was created in 1971, by a constitutional amendment
to replace a series, kind of a hodgepodge, of
courts throughout the state. Annapolis City
had its own court. Bowie had its own court
and places like that. And quite frankly, they weren’t
running very efficiently. The judges in some
of those courts didn’t even have
to be attorneys. There was nepotism going
on and quite frankly some corruption
was in the system. So they decided, the voters,
they set it to referendum, where the voters decided
that they wanted this. And my predecessor,
the first Chief Judge, Chief Judge Sweeney who
this building’s named for, had six months to
create a court system from scratch and find
locations in each of the 23 counties,
plus Baltimore City in order to house the
court and to employ the, at the time, about
1300 employees of the district court that
would staff and work it. And then to bring
on the 82 judges that he needed to
start up this system. It was pretty interesting. I have some old
photographs in my library of where some of the
first courthouses were. In one particular instance, the courthouse was right in the same building as an
auto mechanic shop. So you could literally go in
and pay your traffic ticket, and get your oil changed
at the same time. It was kind of a good
concept that I’d like to bring back but we’ve come
a long way since then. My job as the Chief
Judge is kind of to be an administrator,
quite frankly. I don’t sit very often anymore. I’ve been doing this,
as a Chief Judge, for about four years. I was a presiding judge. I’m from Prince George’s
County, grew up there. And so I was a judge,
a presiding judge, like Judge Spencer
for eight years out in Prince George’s County. So I try to make sure
that Judge Spencer and this courthouse has
the proper equipment and staffing to make
sure that they can do their job every day. We have 118 judges in
the district court. We have almost two
thousand employees, and a budget approaching
$200 million dollars a year. I’m going to change
gears right now, though. If you can show the slide. So I was approached
about two months ago by the Make a Wish Foundation. And they had a particular
young individual, a young man, that was requesting
a wish come true from us. Which I thought was
extremely unusual because I don’t
know too many people that want to be a judge when
they’re 16 years old, right? Well, meet Judge Victor Haley. He wanted to be a judge
and for his make a wish, he asked the court if he
could be a judge for the day. Judge Victor already had
his own robe and gavel and apparently he’s been sick for an extended period of time. And he would regular call
his nurses and doctors, “bailiffs”, and he would
sentence individuals that he wasn’t
happy with, to jail. We were fortunate
enough with the cooperation of my judges
in Baltimore City, to make Judge Victor’s
dream come true. Unfortunately about a week
ago, Judge Victor passed away. It was one of, and I consider
this very close to that, it was one of the best days
I’ve had as a judge in court. And that’s because usually bad things happen
in court, right? There’s not many times that you look forward to coming to court. This may be one of them. The other ones are
getting married, adopting children, becoming
a naturalized citizen. Coming to drug
court graduations. If you’ve ever wanted
to see a moving, bring handkerchiefs
with you and tissues. Because if you’ve ever been
to a drug court graduation, it’s very hard
not to cry because you’ll see people
reborn, basically. After all the struggles
that they’ve had. Our drug court programs are the
future of this court system. To try to make sure that we are dealing with this
opiod epidemic. Judge Victor didn’t
have the chance to make very many
decisions because of his illness,
but you all will. And the key is to,
don’t let the small things add up to
become a big thing. And I’m going to
give you an example. So, who’s driving? Is anybody here driving? Has anybody gotten a ticket yet? Okay, don’t raise
your hand cause you don’t want me to
know that, okay? You’re incriminating
yourself, right? You have a Fifth Amendment right
against self incrimination. So, you’re gonna get a ticket. Pretty much everybody
gets a ticket at some point in
their life, right? Maybe you ran through a stop
sign cause you didn’t see it. I did it on my last
day of high school. I went to DeMatha High School. It was the last
day of high school. We were graduating that Saturday and I ran through a stop sign. Just forgot that it was there, ran through it and
got pulled over. Unfortunately, it
was the same route that everyone takes
to go to DeMatha, so I got heckled by everyone one of my classmates on the way in. You want to make sure
you handle that ticket. If you don’t believe
you are guilty, you wanna fill out the
ticket and request a trial date so you can
contest that in court, right? Because, not every
police officer is correct every single time. They may be a lot of the time
but sometimes they’re not, or sometimes maybe the ticket
wasn’t written correctly. Or there may be other
defenses that you have. Or you wanna pay the ticket
because you’re guilty and you know that you did it. You don’t want to take the time to come to court, and
so you pay that ticket. But you need to do
something with the ticket because if you don’t do
anything with that ticket, then it sits out there
and it eventually becomes a flag on your
registration and your license. So let’s say you don’t
do anything about that ticket and three
months, four months goes by. Well we know you didn’t do
anything about that ticket and we notify the MVA, and
the MVA does what they do. Suspend your license and your
registration for your car. And then you’re leaving out
of your school this afternoon and you drive out
and a police officer hits the sirens
and pulls you over. And he says, “let me see your
license and registration.” You hand him your license. It hits that you’re
license is now suspended. So you’ve gone from driving
through a stop sign, which I believe is $113 fine. To driving on a
suspended license, which is a one year in jail
or a $1000 fine, right? Now, the officer has a choice
as to whether to arrest you, or to write you a
citation and let you go. But let’s suppose
you’re not dealing with that officer, nicely. Because officers are
human beings, right? And they’re gonna react to the
way that you react to them. Politeness goes a long way. If you’ve heard 10 and
two, those kind of things? My dad taught me that
and I think he was right, and I’ve taught my children
the same thing, 10 and two. Get your license and
your registration and your insurance available
for the police officer. Don’t give the police
officer a reason to get nervous
because he has a gun and hopefully you don’t
have a gun, right? So you want to keep
your hands where he can see ’em so he
doesn’t get nervous. Last thing I want,
is a police officer coming up to give me something and I’m going to break
bad with the officer. He’s got a ticket book. He can just keep
writing tickets, right? I’m not saying
that they do that, but human nature would
suggest that if you treat someone with
respect, they’re going to treat you back with
respect, right? And I think that’s
an important lesson, not just in the
police conversation, but with everybody. If you’re at the
supermarket and you’re checking out, I always say hi. I start a conversation
with the lady or the man that’s checking me out, right? Cause it’s a nice thing to do
and I enjoy the interaction. So, you didn’t pay your
ticket, now the officer, and you have been
polite to the officer. The officer decides he’s
going to arrest you. So he places you in cuffs,
puts you in the back of his car and they’re going to bring you downstairs to our commissioners. Our commissioners are there 24
hours a day, 365 days a year. Even in snow storms,
where court may close, the commissioners are there. And their job is to,
when you come in, either decide that you’re
going to stay in jail until your trial date, right? They place you in a no bond
situation and you can’t get out. No matter what anybody
wants, you can’t get out. You’re in jail
for 45 or 60 days. Or they decide to release you,
and they may release you on recognizance, or
on a bond, right? So, let’s say, the officer just decides to
give you a citation. He doesn’t arrest you, he
doesn’t bring you downstairs and you get a notice
from the court. Cause driving on a suspended
is called a must appear. It means you have to
show up for court. You can’t prepay, you
can’t just pay $1000, you have to come to court. So, let’s say you stick that. You don’t want your parents to
know that this all happened, you intercept the
mail that comes that says the notice
of the trial date. You stick it in your
dresser and hide it from your mom and dad and
then you forget about it. You don’t put it on a
calendar because you guys probably don’t maintain
calendars, right? – [Male Attendee] Have
it on their phone, John. – You could have it
on your phone, right? I keep everything on my phone. You should see my calendar. Everything I do is either
on this tablet or my phone. And you forget about
the court date. What do you guys think
happens after that? – [Male Attendee] Warrant. Yep, you’re absolutely right. So I’m going to call out. I’m going to say, “State
versus John Smith. “Is Mr. Smith here? “Mr. Smith has failed to appear. “The time is now 9:27,
bench warrant to issue.” I’m going to set the bond
at $1500 or I’m going to allow the Commissioner
to set the bond. Well now you’ve missed
court three times, right? And you’re gonna
have to come back in. Now the Commissioner, if
you had gotten arrested, the Commissioner probably
would’ve released you on your recognizance
on the first drive. When you first got arrested
driving while suspended. Now you’ve missed
court again, right? He knows that you
didn’t take care of that underlying ticket
and he’s worried now. Or the judge or
Commissioner’s worried now, that you’re not going to
show back up for court. Cause you’ve already
demonstrated that you’re not trustworthy enough
to come to court, when you’re supposed to. And so, that is
when a commissioner
then may set a bond. I don’t know about you
guys, but I don’t have $1500 to post to get
myself out of jail. I work for the government. Just like most of us do here and we don’t make a
whole lot of money. So, who’s going to pay that? Now you’re parents are gonna
have to get involved, right? Oh, and did I mention
you’re gonna have to have an attorney when
you come to court. Because your liberty’s
at stake and you could potentially go to jail
for a year, right? So, I’m assuming you
would want to have an attorney, wouldn’t ya? I mean, if you break your arm you don’t try to
set your own arm. You go to a doctor, right? And get it set. So you’re gonna want
to have an attorney. Any idea how much an
attorney is going to charge for driving while suspended? $1500 bucks, probably. I haven’t practiced in 13 years, but that’s about
what the going rate. Anybody else help me with that? You guys don’t really practice. So it’s anywhere– (male attendee mumbles) – $750 to $1500,
somewhere in that range. So, now you’re out $1500. You maybe had to
pay a bail bondsman. You’re out whatever
that percentage is
that they charge you. And you’re out another $2000. Let’s say you go to court and you really don’t
have much of a defense because you’re
license was suspended. What you should have
done, if you had hired an attorney is, your
attorney would say, “We’ve got to pay this
underlying ticket, “and we’ve got to
get you unsuspended. “so when we go to the judge we “can say we took action on this. “We didn’t let little
mistakes pile up. “We decided that we
were gonna get this “taken care of before the
judge even made us do it”. That’s what attorneys
are good to do, cause they give you
advice like that. That means a lot of difference. But now you’re gonna
have something on your record, right? And even though
it’s only traffic, you think, “It’s only traffic”. Well I can tell you, when commissioners apply
to become a Commissioner, I review every Commissioner because they’re
judicial officers. So I’m actually appointing
them to the position. And you know what I check? Driving records. I check to see whether or not their driving records,
cause quite frankly, I don’t want someone
being a judicial officer that has multiple
traffic violations. Let alone criminal. They’re not gonna get
hired if they have a criminal violation. I’m not going to
take that chance. Why would I hire someone
that’s shown in the past that they committed
some type of crime? And I’m going to place
them in a position where they’re making
decisions about others and placing them in jail or not? Not even going to take the
chance, even with traffic. If you get too many
traffic tickets, why would I want to
take the chance, right? So, I’m going to stop lecturing
on this, but my point is, you can see that little things
can add up to be big things. You need to, and I think
you’ll hear Judge Spencer say this, you need
to own it sometimes. Not every time, but
you need to own it. And you need to
communication, too. I’ve told my children
as my parents told me. That if they get in an
uncomfortable position, I have a 17 year old
and a 14 year old. My 17 year old came to the class the last time cause
his school came here. I embarrassed him thoroughly
by showing photographs of him when he was
in goofy outfits to every one of the students. I promised I wouldn’t
do that again, cause he had a fit with
me after it was over. But I have told
him that if he ever gets in a situation where
he feels uncomfortable. Whether he’s been drinking or whether other people are
drinking, and somebody says. Your drunk friend
says, “come on, “let’s hop in the car and go.” And you’re gonna get in a car
with a drunk person and drive. Not a good idea, right? I said to him, “call
me, no questions. “I may get upset but
I’m going to go get you, “and I’m going to make
sure you get home.” And I said, “Or don’t call me. “Call your buddy that you know
is sober or call your uncle. “Or call your teacher
or call somebody. “Or just get out of
there and Uber home. “I’ll pay for the Uber.” If you guys don’t have Uber,
I’m not promoting Uber. But, it’s better
than getting in a car with someone that’s
got alcohol on ’em. Or you drinking and driving. So, think about what you’re
doing, these decisions. You’re gonna see
some decision points. We’re getting to the fun
point in just a few minutes. You’re gonna see some
of these decision points and you need to think
about ’em a little bit. You don’t need to be the hero. You don’t need to
say to everybody, “Hey, you shouldn’t
be doing this.” Cause I don’t really expect
anybody to really do that. But what I do
expect from you all and I hope you expect
this from yourselves. Is that you’re not
going to place yourself in a position where something
bad can happen to you. Cause you’ve got your whole
future in front of you and these little things
make a difference, right? I wouldn’t be the Chief Judge of the district court
and I had no idea. I wanted to be a
lifeguard, basically, it was my whole aspiration
when I was younger. And I’d still like to be one. But I had no idea I was
going to become a judge, much less Chief Judge. And if I had any problems
with my prior criminal record, this never would’ve
happened to me. And I absolutely love my job. It’s a privilege and an honor to serve the citizens of Maryland. And my role, it’s the greatest
thing I’ve ever dreamed of doing and I couldn’t
be happier doing it. So I don’t want you guys to
make some poor decisions. You will, you’ll make bad
decisions at 18 and 16 and 17. You make bad decisions. The science shows that
your brains aren’t fully developed yet and there’s
lots of literature on that. And so, you can expect
to make bad decisions. Just don’t let ’em pile up and don’t make a lot of ’em and don’t make a
lot of ’em worse. Just own it if you have
to and get rid of it. So, thank you all very, very
much for being here today. I appreciate you coming to this, and I hope you guys have fun. You’re about to see the
fun part pretty soon. So… (applause)
Shaem – It’s all fun, it’s all fun. He said it, I’m going
to say it again. You’re gonna make a mistake. You’re gonna make
a mistake again. You’re gonna make
another mistake. It’s all right. I make ’em, he makes
’em all the time. It’s called an appeal
when I make a mistake. You’re gonna make a mistake. Own it, then make it right. By own it, what I mean is,
you’re gonna be with somebody. I have friends. He is my friend. Maybe a bad example. Hey big tall guy,
tall guy, ugly. That’s him. He’s my friend. I’ve known him probably
longest in the room. We made some bad
choices together, that dude and I. Some bad choices together. Bad choices, him and I. I’ve known him very long time. There are very bad choices. But we did not compound it. Just called someone
else to come and get us. We were drinking beers one time. He had like 18 and I had two. Two is too many for me to drive, so we called someone to get us. I tell ya that because
he asked me to do it. I said, “No. “Wes, I don’t wanna
drink a beer.” He made me do it. (attendees laugh) He made me do it. I tell ya that because
you’re gonna have friends. They’re gonna encourage
you to do some things you might not want to do. You may do them, it’s okay. Don’t make it worse. I’m not promoting Uber, but
you all have phones, Uber. Or call your mom or dad. Mom or dad or your
friend or your cousin is better than calling,
well he’s my friend, but Trooper Fohs is not
going to be your friend. Officer McKay will
not be your friend. They’re nice,
they’re good dudes. They’ll also put you in jail. Now, before we go further. Dr. Arlotto, we’ve
talked a lot about the education and
what we believe. How the courts can
help the schools in terms of what we do
together as a partnership. Would you please
welcome the students on behalf of the school board and give them a little bit what
you think we should do here. Thank you, sir.
– Thank you. Thank you. (applause)
Good morning. (Judge Spencer laughing) Good morning, let
me be really brief, but let me welcome you. Really delighted
that you’re here. This is one of my
favorite times, as a Superintendent of
83 thousand students
and 127 schools, that we’re doing something
really very different. So, we’re delighted
that you’re here. We’re really thankful
that Judge Spencer and this amazing team
that he’s put together, that you’re gonna
meet through the rest of the morning, has welcomed
us to his courtroom, right? So this is their
courtroom, we are guests. And so we wanna make sure
that we act accordingly. This is kind of amazing,
what you’re gonna go through today. And so I want you to sit back and I want you to relax. (exhales loudly) Take a deep breath
and I want you to take it all in because
it’s pretty much what you’re not expecting. So we talk a lot in inner
Rowan Country schools about providing
opportunities and experiences for students. So there’s all this
stuff that happens in a classroom, really
important, right? AP English and
Biology and Algebra and all of those
really cool things. And that’s really
important cause we’re an educational system, right? We are schools, but we
are trying to provide, always we talk a
lot about providing those additional experiences. Whether it’s through your Signature Program
at Broadneck, right? Or your Signature at
Arundel or a Magna Program. Or athletics or
you’re a thespian. Or you write for the
paper or whatever it is. We’re looking for those
different experiences and opportunities that
expand you as a person. As a human, as a thoughtful
being, beyond the classroom. Today is one of
those experiences. Today is one of those
experience that I believe, I am so committed to that I try and get here every time we
do this, four times a year. We try and get
students from across, not only private schools but all of our county high schools, in this courtroom at least
once during the year. Because I think this is
one of those experiences. It’s not going to show
up on your transcript, or your college application, or wherever you
head post college. But it’s one that’s
going to have very meaningful impact
on you as a person. So you’re gonna
see Judge Spencer interact with the folks up here. They’re gonna interact with you. You’re gonna hear as Judge
Spencer talked about, you’re gonna hear
from a trauma nurse. You’re gonna hear from
local law enforcement. You’re gonna hear
from state police, the law enforcement
from the state level. You’re gonna see
District Attorney. You’re gonna see
as a prosecutor. You’re gonna see
defense attorneys. You’re gonna see real
cases being tried, and during the
course of all this, you’re gonna have some fun. You’re gonna laugh. I bet you’re gonna cry. I guarantee you,
you’re gonna think. And that’s what today’s about. The whole piece of this,
the encompassing piece. The umbrella of this, is
making good decisions. Because making poor decisions
lands you here in court. Making poor decisions gets you pulled over by a police officer. Making poor decisions could put you in the hospital or worse. And we don’t want that for
you, for your classmates, for your school,
or for your family. So one of the really
cool things is you sit there as
high school students wondering what’s
gonna happen next. There are people that you
don’t know, that love you. That care about you, that want
you to make good decisions. And many of them are
sitting right here. You don’t know them
and they love you, and they want you to do well. And be well. So this is a really
cool experience. I’m delighted we’re
a part of this. That we’re invited and
guests in this courtroom four times a year. You guys are in for a treat. So sit back and relax and engage with what’s going on
and you’re gonna think. I guarantee it. Thank you, glad you’re here. (applause) Thank you.
– Thank you, I appreciate it. Poor decisions aren’t
always involving drugs or alcohol. Choice in friends. Poor decision is
sometimes just showing up. Doing something you think
is normal every day. Everyday of my life I do a
few things, well same thing. I’m methodical about
it, a creature of habit. I carry coins in
my pocket I found heads up because
I’m superstitious. I carry a blade in my
pocket, it’s about that big. Why are you backing up? (attendees laughing) You ain’t safe here? Are you safe? Bobby, there’s Bobby. – Yes, Sir. – He’ll keep you
safe, that’s his job. – You’re gonna be all right. Be all right. (attendees laughing) – You sure? You all right? You sure? What about now? (attendees laughing) You scared? – I just need the cops
to come over here. – McKay, she wants
to talk to you. You him to come over here? He’ll come, come on. Officer McKay, can
you help me out? – [Female Attendee] Oh my God. (attendees laughing) What’s your name? – Abriel.
– Hi, I’m Shaem. This is my friend,
Officer McKay. He’ll keep you safe. – Hi
– How you doin’? – I joke, I do have
a blade in my hand. It’s real. I keep one of these
in my truck as well. Don’t tell him that. (laughing) I tell you that because
this blade in my truck… Let’s just leave
it here for now. It’s there, it’s a
blade, it is what it is. The choice I’ve
made to leave that in my truck on any given day. Who drives again? Who told me you drive? Yeah, you wanna drive with me? – [Marcos] Yeah,
I’ll drive with you. – You’ll drive my truck? – [Marcos] Yeah. What kind of car you got? – [Marcos] I mean, I don’t
have a car but I drive. – Whew, I’ve got a car. You want to borrow my truck? – Sure. – Where are you gonna go? – Mall.
– All right. What’s your name.
– Marcos. – Marcos?
– Yeah. You go to Arundel?
– Yeah. – You’re a Wildcat? Good to meet you. Come on, man, come on. Here, Marcos, you
can drive my truck. Here’s my truck right here, man. You be the driver of my truck. (attendees laughing)
All right, Bro? – All right. – Have a seat, have a seat. Hold up, you like music? – Yeah. – What do you like? – Anything, really. – Anything?
– Yeah. – Let me think, let me
think, let me think. Any music at all? All right. You’ve gotta have tunes
in your car, right? – [Marcos] Yeah. – All right, I’ll
put that right here. You be the tune man. Anybody know Marcos over here? Do you know him? – No.
– Come here, come here. (attendees laughing)
What’s your name? Come here. What’s your name? – Jenae.
– Jenae. You going for a
ride with Marcos? – Sure. – All right, go have
a seat with Marcos. – Okay.
– You know him? – No, I– – You wanna go to the mall?
– Sure. Marcos, Jenae,
going to the mall. Oh, my Lord. He don’t know her. Y’all know them? You know them? You wanna go with them? – Why not, what’s your name?
– Megan. – Megan, I’m Shaem. Hi, how are you? Come on, Megan. All right, Megan
and Marcos, Jenae, just chillin’,
going to the mall. Anybody else want
to go to the mall? You want to go to the mall? Come on, girl. (attendees laughing) Come on, what’s your name, lady? – Cayla, spelled with a C.
– Cayla. Do you know Marcos and Jenae– – No.
– and Megan? All right, let’s go for a ride. – [Shaem] Where y’all gonna go? – The mall.
– Which one? – Annapolis.
– Annapolis Mall, go ahead. – All right. – Cruise. Anybody want to be a
law enforcement officer when they grow up? You do? A cop or something, DEA agent? (background chatter) Thank you, somebody, thank God. Come on. Every cop has to
have a cool cop car. Lights and sirens, bro. All right–
can I drive it? – Can you drive it? – Probably. – Probably? Look,
man you just… Oh, can you do that? (mumbles) Where you all goin’? – [Marcos] We’re going to H&M. Why are you looking at me? Look at the road. (attendees laughing) Marcos, look at the road,
not the car next to you. He didn’t even
pull you over yet. There go behind them, man. Oh, goodness. So look, right now
Marcos is going to the mall with three
people he doesn’t know. They’re all beautiful,
attractive women. I’ll give you that. He’s looking at
me, not the road. He’s swervin’. Officer McKay, he’s swervin’. See, what you gonna do? – [Officer McKay] Pull him over. Oh, Lord have mercy. Oh Lord. Turn signal, got it. All right, well. Go ahead, Officer McKay, will
you stop that vehicle please? – All right. – How you doin’, Sir? – [Marcos] Good, how
are you, officer? – I’m good, fine, fine. The reason I pulled
ya is your swerving over the yellow line
on the way to the mall. – [Marcos] Oh, for real? – Mm-hmm and also observed you in a high crime
neighborhood on the way to the mall. – [Marcos] Really?
– Yeah. What were you
doing in Robinwood? – Headed to H&M. – [Officer McKay] At the H&M? – Yeah.
– Okay. You know that’s a dead
end community, right? – No.
– All right. Well, we just had three
homicides there last week. It’s a high drug community also. Do you know these people
in the car with you? – No. (attendees laughing)
– No? Well when I saw you go
in that neighborhood, you made several U-turns
and you came back and went into a courtyard,
came back, went back and forth. – I was headed to the mall. – [Officer McKay] You
were headed to the mall? Okay. Do you have your license
and registration on you? – No, I left it at home. – [Officer McKay] No, you
don’t even have it on you? – No, it’s in my backpack
over there, but– – [Officer McKay]
Oh, over there, okay. – [Shaem] Ladies and gentlemen, I want to clean up right here. Paul, time out in our
little episode right here. Right now what we have is
four individuals in the car, the driver just
told Officer McKay he has no license or
registration on him. Not on him. That’s one choice. Officer McKay, in light of that, what are you going to do next? – Next, I’m going to get him. I’m gonna get his information, her information,
her information, everybody’s
information in the car. – [Shaem] Feel
free. Proceed, Sir. – [Officer McKay] Do you
have your registration or license on you, I’m sorry? – No.
– No. Do you have your
license or ID on you? – No.
– Ma’am, you? – [Megan] Over there. – Over there?
– Yeah. – [Officer Officer McKay] Okay. Sir, do me a favor,
can you step out of the car for me, please? – [Marcos] All right. – Do you have anything on you I should know about? – No.
– No? Anything in this vehicle
I should know about? – No. – No? Are you sure? – Positive.
– Okay, were you being honest with me about your reason for
being in that neighborhood? – Yes. – Okay. All right, do me a favor. Come stand over here. – [Marcos] Over where? – Over here. Come over here. Until I can figure
out what’s going on– – [Marcos] Oh, what? – I’m going to put these on you. You’re not under
arrest right now. – [Marcos] Oh. – But until my backup
officer gets here, I’m placing these on you.
– What? (attendees laughing) – Time out again. Ms. Holley, Officer
McKay’s just taking Marcos out of the car, put
him in handcuffs. You okay with that? – [Ms. Holley] Absolutely not. – What? – Ladies and gentleman,
Ms. Holley’s my friend. She’s a public defender
here in Anne Arundel County. She says, as a member
of the defense bar, that that man should
not be in the car, out of the cuffs. I’m sorry, out of the
car, in the cuffs. Mr. Adams, you okay with this? – [Mr. Adams] Absolutely. – Why is that, Sir? – Well, you’ve got four people that are in a high crime area. He actually could be
arrested right now. He’s got no identification
on him and so, we don’t know who he
is, why he’s here. He’s already committed
a traffic offense. And because we don’t have
any identification on him, he has the right to detain him. But even right now, he’s still
in the investigatory phase, so he’s detained him for
a brief period of time. Because there’s four people
and he’s four on one. He’s really just taking care
of himself and his safety. So, we’ve got no
real issue with that. – Ms. Holley, why are
you upset with this? – Because he’s in handcuffs. – He’s in handcuffs? Well it’s at night and Officer
McKay has no idea who he is. And there’s four
people in the car. They don’t know each other. – I understand, Officer
McKay’s gonna call for backup. And because of officer
safety concerns, he’s got him briefly detained. – Officer McKay, I
think they’ll argue about this later in
front of Judge Morrissey, but go ahead with
your stop, Sir. – [Ms. Holley] Not much
I can do, right now. – Ma’am, is… Were you sitting in this
seat the whole time? – [Jenae] Yes. – [Officer McKay] Okay,
are there any things in this car I should know about? – [Jenae] I don’t know. – [Officer McKay] No, all right. – What she doing officer?
– Ma’am. ma’am – All right, do me a favor, I need you to come
out of the car. What are you reaching for? – [Shaem] Woo! (attendees laughing) All right, do me a favor. – But officer
(mumbling) suspicious. – No, I don’t need it. You’re being
suspicious right now. – [Morrissey] Making the
police officer nervous, right? Get down on that ground. (Morrissey low speaking) – Ladies and
gentleman, did you hear what Judge Morrissey said? Cayla got out of the seat, was down on her hands and knees. Officer McKay’s by
himself in a dark street. – I’m pretty sure– – He put her in cuffs
because he had no idea what she’s reaching for. – [Cayla] I’m pretty sure
I thought I saw a knife. – [Male Attendee] Oh, God. – Mrs. Holley, you
hear what she said? Cayla said she saw a knife. (attendees laughing) Cayla saw a knife. – You gotta believe me. – All right, come back here. Have a seat for me. Ma’am, I need you to
step out, come on. Is that your knife on the seat? – No.
– No? – [Jenae] Wait,
don’t I (mumbling) (attendees laughing) (background chatter) – [Jenae] Free me(laughing). – All right, come over
here, have a seat, please. Ma’am, you step out
to me as well, please. Thank you. Were you in that
seat the whole time? – Yes, Sir.
– The backseat? You don’t have any ID on you? – No, not here (laughs). How old are you? – We were just chill.
– 16? – Yes, sir.
– Okay. Do me a favor, you come and sit. – [Cayla] Did you
find that knife on the front seats, officer?
– Sit here, please. (attendees laughing) – Time out, time out. Time out, please, time out. Let me help you, let me
help you, let me help you. Earlier, you heard what
Judge Morrissey said. And Ms. Holley mumbled earlier that she was being nice. Sometimes you’ve got the right to remain silent. Sometimes you ain’t
gotta say nothing. Sometimes you can sit
there and be polite. Yes, ma’am, no ma’am. Yes, sir, no, sir. Say nothing, cause
Cayla told me now twice. Officer McKay, there’s a knife
in that car somewhere, bro. – Excuse me judge. What’s your name, young lady? – Cayla, C-A-Y-L-A.
– All right, Cayla You and I will talk later on. (attendees laughing) – Officer McKay, you’ve
got everybody out now, whatcha gonna do? – Now that I have
everybody out of the car, I’m going to continue
the search of the car. I found a dangerous weapon under the front seat of the car. – Are you gonna do a
full search on the inside or are you going to wait? – I’m going to do a full
search of the inside right now. – [Shaem] Are you going
to do that by yourself, or are you gonna
call your homeboys? – Yeah, I’m gonna
call for backup. If I can have other tools
that I’m allowed to have, I’m gonna call for
those resources. If I can get ’em here.
– Why don’t you call and see if yo can get
somebody available. – Okay. Dispatch, you have a dog? Can I have a K-9, (mumbling)
my location, please? – She’s freaking out. Yo, get her, she’s freaking out. – I could easily slip
out of these handcuffs. – [Cayla] Help me with these. (background chatter) – [Female Attendee] What
kind of dog is that? – [Cayla] What are you going
to do with a police dog? – [Male Attendee]
There’s a dog, oh! – [ Dog Handler] Climb up. (background chatter) Good boy. Here, check there. Get ’em, puppy. Good boy, come on. (mumbling) Good boy. – Hey, what’s your name? – Javar.
– Javar, did you see the dog? – [Javar] Yes. What did it do here? – [Javar] He went
around and (mumbles). – And then what happened? Did you see what he did? What did he do? – Went back and forth, (mumbles) He sat down? You saw him sit down? Trooper Fohs?
– Yes? – Did Euro sit down?
– He did. – Uh oh.
– Twice, actually. – What does that mean? – [Trooper Fohs]
That means he alerted to the presence of
odor of narcotics. – [Shaem] You said narcotics? – Yes.
– You mean drugs? – Well, yes. – [Shaem] Uh oh, now
what are you gonna do? – Search the car. – [Shaem] You mean
like the trunk. – I mean like the whole thing. – [Shaem] Glove box. – Glove box. – [Shaem] The whole car. – Trunk, under the hood. – [Shaem] You’re gonna
pull everything out. – Anything. – [Shaem] All right. Ms. Holley, right now,
Trooper Fohs is here, in about eight minutes or so,
after a stop of four people. We have no idea their names, are still running their
names, apparently. K-9 comes, did a scan, an alert. Can we search the car
now, in your mind? – [Male Attendee]
Come on, Ms. Holley. – [Male Attendee]
Come on, Ms. Holley. – Give it up.
– Hard to say. – Yes, yes. – [Shaem] Anybody have
a problem with the cops searching the car now? – Yeah, I do.
– Raise your hand. – [Shaem] Marcos? (attendees laughing) The driver. Okay, well, I’m going
to note your objection. We’ll tell your lawyer
that in the future. Officer McKay, can you
search that car for me, sir? – [Ms. Holley] Putting
me in a hard spot here. – [Shaem] It wasn’t me. It was your friend
Cayla and Marcos who put you in a hard spot. (attendees laughing) What did you, huh oh… – [Officer McKay]
I found a bag under the front seat, sir. – [Marcos] I don’t
know, it’s not my car. – [Officer McKay]
Got a bag with… Appears to me to be
about 75 grams of heroin. – [Shaem] Heroin?
– Heroin. – [Shaem] Any other
things in there that may be crimes,
initial crimes, who might own it? – [Officer McKay] I got a… – [Shaem] Red jacket. – [Officer McKay]
Red sweatshirt here, red hooded sweatshirt. – [Shaem] Megan. Aren’t the Patriots
blue and red? Megan, what’s that? – [Female Attendee] Arundel, yo. – Where do you go to school?
– Old Mill. – Where do you go to school?
– Broadneck. – Where do you go to school?
– A Harbor student. – Where do you go to school?
– Arundel. (attendees laughing) – All right, all right. Mr. Adams? – Yes? – She goes to Old Mill. Broadneck, Harbor, Arundel. They found 75 grams of heroin and a shirt from Arundel. Are you going to use
this in your case? – Yes.
– Why? – Well, because
the bag presumably, would have things that only
the owner would possess. And given the location, which
is underneath the drivers seat and the fact that
he goes to Arundel. And since the bag is portable, even though he’s
driving your car. – [Shaem] Hold on,
no one said that. – Cause you don’t go to Arundel. I’m going with the
Arundel tee shirt’s gonna make– – [Shaem] Ms. Holley,
Mr. Adams gonna hang his hat on that
and say he’s guilty. It must be Arundel’s. – I’m going to disagree. – [Shaem] Judge
Morrissey, is that shirt admissible as evidence. – I think it would be
admissible as evidence. – [Shaem] Why, is it
circumstantial, maybe? That this young man,
Marcos goes to Arundel, bags in the car he’s
driving and he had it. – As a judge, you have to use your common sense a
lot of these times. It’s not so much applying
the law to the facts, it’s what makes
sense to you, right? And it seems logical to
me that if he’s in a car. There’s a bag under his
seat, he’s goes to Arundel. He’s got a tee shirt
that says Arundel. I’m going to bet that
that is his shirt. And so it is evidence
that at least places him there in the car. – And what Mr. Adams
is going to say to you, “Ladies and gentleman
of the jury”. Not you because you’re biased. “Ladies and gentleman
of the jury, “the shirt says Arundel. “They went to different schools. “He’s driving, it’s in
a bag he’s sitting on. “I ask you to convict that
man of possession of drugs. “And he had so much that
he wants to sell them”. That’s a misdemeanor like
what, five days in jail? – No.
– Oh, no? – It’s a felony with
up to 20 years in jail. – Oh no, my bad. – [Marcos] I’m 16,
I can’t go to jail. – Wait, wait, wait. Hang on, hang on. Can you say that
again, nice and loud? – I’m 16, I can’t go to jail. – Wrong. (attendees laughing)
– Wait, what? – [Shaem] Ms. Holley. – Wait. [Ms. Holley] Well… – Wrong. – [Shaem] Ms. Holley. – You can actually go to jail. There’s a thing– – [Shaem] Ms. Holley,
what are you going to tell the jury about
why your client, Mr. Marcos is not guilty? – Because it was not his car. He had no idea of
what was in the car. He didn’t knowingly possess
anything in that car. And even if he seen
it,(mumbles) any of it was his. – Thank you. (attendees laughing) – [Ms. Holley] It’s a
circumstantial, at best. – [Shaem] At best? – [Ms. Holley] It’s not enough
beyond a reasonable doubt. The state (mumbling). – [Shaem] Judge Morrissey,
let’s say this is a bench trial and this is not a trial
in front of a jury, 12 citizens from this county. This is a bench trial. And the evidence you
have is what you see. That that man has,
driving the car, he’s possessing the car. He’s occupying the car. He has dominion control
of everything in the car. The shirt says he
goes to that school. He goes to that school. He’s sitting on all that drugs. What’s your verdict, sir? – Guilty. – Bobby, take ’em all. – [Marcos] What? – Let’s go, folks. – Where am I goin’?
– Lockup. – Come on, come on. Now as they go, Ms. Holley,
we’re taking all of them. You okay with that? – I am not but I know that
they’re all gonna be taken. – [Male Attendee] Bye, bye. – Ladies and gentleman, I
wanted you to hear that. – (mumbling) for them. – He stole it, he stole the car. (attendees laughing) (background chatter) – Ladies and gentleman. In all seriousness
I want you to hear what Ms. Holley just
said on the way out. You may not have heard it
across the room is that, right now, Marcos is
sitting on the drugs. With the drugs that have a shirt with his school mascot on it. He has no idea who’s
in the car with Megan, Cayla and Jenae, but
who got locked up? (attendees mumbling) And you know what the
public defender said? That’s gonna happen. Let’s talk about choices. Marcos drove my car. He had no idea that there
was a knife in that car. It’s a weapon. He was (mumbling) the knife? Where are you? Trooper Fohs.
– [Fohs] Yes. – See, knife. Weapon, right? Weapon, it’s my weapon. He has no idea it’s in my car. Drugs, they’re in
my truck, my car. But I’m not in it. Marcos is, with Jenae and Megan. Now what? They’re all charged. I tell ya that because,
you leave a party, at Arundel you get
in the car with somebody from Old
Mill, we’re all cool. You have no idea
what’s in that car. Make good choices. Make good choices, right? The knife in there is mine. I own the truck. I’m not even there. I’m home asleep. And they’re all arrested. Now, let me back up five steps. We’ll get back to the lawyers. Anybody have a problem
with Officer McKay pulling anybody out of the car? No? – [Male Attendee] Yes. – Why? Why? Hold on, you said yes. (mumbling) I heard you say he didn’t
tell them their rights. Ms. Holley, what rights should
they be advised of right now? – You mean their Miranda rights? – Say, “yes”. – He said they
weren’t under arrest. So Miranda wasn’t given. – But (mumbling) – Now they’re arrested. Now they’re arrested, they’re
getting read them right now. Right now they’re Mirandized. – Custodial interrogation
is the key word for when Miranda
rights attached. – On the streets– – That’s why I was saying
he was under arrest as soon as we put
the handcuffs on. – [Mr. Adams] And that’s
why I was saying he wasn’t. Because there’s a thing
called the Terry stop, which is a brief detention. I can stop you. Police officers can actually
put you down with a gun, and it’s still not an arrest. – Did you hear that? That’s something that happens. And it’s lawful. I’m not saying it’s
pleasant or okay. Trust me, an asphalt
sandwich is not fun. But if Cayla’s reaching in
this car in a dark night, and the officer doesn’t
know what she’s gettin’. He’s going to pull her
out, put her on the ground. He’s going to pat her down. He’s gonna put her in cuffs. – And none of that’s
an arrest yet. – Not arrest, no Miranda. And not fun. Choices, friends,
places, times, choices. They’re not bad kids. But you don’t know ’em. No idea. – And the problem is– – We’re probably going
to say the same thing. But here’s the
thing, Tiffany and I. Ms. Holley and I
can argue about that in the courtroom all day long. But the thing is, at
2:00 in the morning, while you’re sitting
outside of Annapolis Mall. The choice that you
make determines whether or not Ms. Holley and I
get to argue about it. You guys, I mean, look, you’ve
got to do the right thing. Let the officer do his job. Let Tiffany do her job. She does a really good
job at what she does. – [Shaem] And you
know what’s worse, is that he’s going to
drive by, and SnapChat. Put you on SnapChat,
locked up in cuffs. (attendees laughing) Aha! – The problem is I’ve
saw a couple of cases. That where like, “What?” You’re okay that they’re
all gonna be arrested? I don’t come in until
after you’re arrested. At that point in time,
the officer’s going to charge you all
constructive possession. That it’s within your
lunge, your reach, your grasp– – As in Cayla in the
backseat, Ms. Holley? – Yes, they’re gonna
assume that you knew. Or should have known what
was in that car with you. And our arguments
come way after you’ve been arrested and way
after you tell mom and dad. Or grandma and grandpa. Or your sister. – What about the commissioner? – Way after you go
to the commissioner– – How about the judge who says (cross talking) – Call an attorney at
2:00 in the morning. Trying to get you out of jail, but you’ve been charged
with distribution. – It’s a felony, that means– – That’s not just
simple possession. – That means you’re a
big person in court. You’re not in district court,
you’re in circuit court, trial courtú and Judge
Morrissey actually made a really good point. – Oh goodness. Judge Morrissey, will you
hear a Bail Review for me? – Sure.
– All right. – How many of you
guys heard about the, when he said I’m only 16? Anybody think that a
16 year old can come to an adult court? – [Group] Yes. Yes, 16 year olds absolutely
can be tried as an adult. You would have, depending
on the circumstances. He has a weapon, he’s
got 75 grams of heroin. Heroin is– (attendees laughing) – Come in, come in. Sit right here. Stand right here. Judge Morrissey, it’s now
Monday morning, at 10:30. Cause this happened
on a Friday night, and they were held
over the weekend. You have three individuals all
charged with the same offense of possession with intent
to distribute drugs. Possession of drugs, and
conspiracy there, too. Probably weapon as well. They’re all minors but, they’re
all charged with felonies. You’re gonna have a Bail Review. What are you gonna
do now, Judge? – So, the things
that I’m looking at, at Bail Review are really
come to two issues. Whether theyúre a
danger to the community and whether they’re
going to return to court. So, prepared for
me when they come, I’m going to have your
full criminal records and all the information. At pretrial, there’s a group
that will interview you and they’ll prepare
a report for me. And I will make a decision
based on that as to whether I think you’re a threat
to the community. Or likely to show
up to court again. I’m probably going
to graduate what I do from the driver of the car
versus the other three people. And I’m going to treat
them differently. Based on, it’s
more likely to me, that the driver of the car, based on what we’ve
already discussed is the person that
had the drugs. – So, you’re gonna choose
that Marcos wears this outfit a little bit longer than them? – Probably going to
be something more. I’m not necessarily saying
I’m going to hold him in jail. I might let him out, but I’d put more restrictions
on him as to what he can do and what he can’t do when he’s
out, than the other three. – Thank you. – I like the orange
on you too, girl. – Thank you.
It’s becoming. – Part of what I do is, I would require you guys
to remain in school, to attend all classes. I’d want reports weekly
from your school, to make sure that you’re
showing up for school. – [Shaem] Drug tests? – I would also have you
drug tested randomly, or several times
a week at first. I could put a monitor on your
ankle and have you don that. But what I really want is you
guys to get back to school. Cause as a judge, I’m
trying to think about, I don’t like to punish people. I don’t like to
sentence people to jail. That’s not fun for me. It’s an awesome
responsibility, (chuckles), it’s an awesome
responsibility that I take very, very, very seriously. And so what I really want, is I want to alter their
behavior in the future. And so how do I
accomplish that with either setting of bail
or with a sentence?. Cause jail doesn’t
always mean that that’s gonna make the person’s
behavior different. There could be other things. And that’s kind of the last
thing I have as my options. What I want them to do is become productive members
of the community. Like I want you all to succeed. That’s what I want
for these guys. I want them to succeed
and I really don’t want to send them to jail
if I can avoid that. – I’m standing
behind Megan because I know that Megan’s
wearing a skirt. You may not be able to see that. So Mr. George, my bailiff,
didn’t put her in a jumpsuit. That was a choice he made. He’s a gentleman, he’s
nice, and he’s polite. First was a gentleman. We’re good? He made that choice for her. She chose a beautiful
blue dress, I like it. – Thank you. He chose not to put
her in a jumpsuit, unbecoming back there
in front of all of them, but let’s say they’re not there. Bobby, you gonna put her
in a jumpsuit back there, if they’re not there? In the detention
center, holding center? – [Bobby] Yes, she will. – Not fun, okay. You know why? One choice goes to another to
another to another to another, and you’re locked up and
you’re wearing a jumpsuit. You change your clothes in front of random people you don’t know. You’re in that locker room
all the time, I get that. But that’s with people your age. Not 45 year old grown
men like, oh, me not you. Me not you, me not you. – I’m old, I remember that. Garret County. (attendees laughing) (sneezes) I’ve got
a cold coming on. – It’s snowing there
right now as we speak. – Ladies and gentleman,
I want to ask my friends to change
out of their jumpsuit. You can have a
seat, Megan, for me. Get you out of the
jumpsuit if you don’t mind. Cause I don’t want you
to sit in that all day. You wanna get out? – Yeah, sure. – You sure?
– Yeah. – Go that way. Before I move on, I think my
friends right here saw it best. But Euro came in here and Euro’s what started the whole process. Euro’s my friend,
Trooper Fohs’s partner. Anybody have questions
about what Euro did and why Euro did it? About how he knew to
go in there and search or why he searched the car? Anybody? Trooper Fohs, how did
you know there was something in the car? – Euro gave me (crosstalk),
so he’s trained on seven different odors. He’s trained to detect
marijuana, hash, cocaine, heroin, black tar
heroin, ecstasy and meth. Those are his only
trained odors, and he’s only trained
to sit for those odors. And sit, is his final response. – If this mock stop for
us is not real life, in real life and that
had been my truck, it’d be a raised
truck that has metal, secure, my windows are all up. So you wouldn’t go in the
car right away would you? – Huh, uh. – Would he still
be able to alert? – Yeah. – Even in the
trunk of the truck? – As long as odors available
he’ll be able to smell it. – So he’d do a sweep outside,
if he alerted, then what? – If he alerted to the vehicle
then it’s gonna get searched, from front to back,
top to bottom. Anything inside of it,
anything locked inside of it, everything’s getting searched. – Earlier I asked you and we
skipped over it real quick. I saw him sit, you
said he alerted twice. So if you alert, the only
alert you know of is sit? – For me–
– I mean for you. – For me, I went
through a 14 week school with him so I know his
different behavior changes that to me, show
that he’s in odor. And his trained odors
which is kinda closed up is he starts breathing
through his nose instead of his mouth. His tail wags a
little bit faster. He does different things. Different things that I can read as his handler,
for now, six years. That I’m able to detect before
we get the final response, which is a sit. (Ms. Endzel speaking) No, actually, Joe
Spencer’s favorite, we’ll call it the
beef stew theory. You guys go home and your
mom’s cooking beef stew, right? You guys smell beef stew. Well the dog is able
to smell the broth, the beef, the
carrots, the celery, whatever else goes
into a beef stew. They’re able to smell
it all separate. That’s what’s great
about a dog’s nose is they can throw out
odors they don’t need. For example, air fresheners,
coffee grounds, dryer sheets. – [Shaem] How about cat urine? I heard of that one. – Any overwhelming
odor is going to be easier for the dog to throw out cause he knows he
doesn’t need it anymore. So overwhelming, – [Shaem] I heard a
case the other day, they had it in Tupperware,
in a plastic bag, in a suitcase in the trunk. – As long as the
odors available, the dog will be
able to detect it. – [Shaem] How about
in a locker at school? – Sure. It might not be
that exact locker, because there’s holes in ’em. – [Shaem] I haven’t heard a
“duh” in a long time (laughing). – It wasn’t just
a duh, (mumbling) – So hold on, hold
on, hold on, hold on. So, the moral of the story is,
her weed’s not in her locker. (laughing) So we search over
her locker clearly. – Yeah, they’re like, oh. – You guys are just (mumbling). (laughing) – I would also tell
you that we did this, it’s not our first time, but we’re very keen
and aware that, I had Marcos sitting right here and I stood right in front
of Marcos for a reason. And put the seats right
there Jenae, for a reason. Because my bosses here
and my other bosses here, and if I let Trooper
Fohs walk over here, and that dog sat right here
next to this young man. First off, he’d hate me. He’d lose his job,
I’d lose my job. He’s be yelling at me. He’d be, where is the chief? He’d put me in jail. It’s a whole lot of mess. So the dog’s over
here for a reason. But trust, trust that
if Euro walked down here and walked up here and even,
not saying you are, my man. But if my man had a
joint in his pocket, Euro’s gonna go that way. He’s going to try
and sit that way. That nose not just good
but it’s crazy good. I tell ya that because my
friend here said, “duh”. Yes, through metal. Yes, through a trunk. Yes, through cat
urine-soaked rags, in the trunk of a car, in a bag. Yes, that good. That good, Trooper? – Yes. – As long as the
odor is available, the dog will be
able to detect it. – I’m sorry, Ms. Holley,
what did you say? – He had previously (mumbling). – Oh, so even if
you’re at the party and you smoke the
blunt at the party. You get in the car and then go. You’re in the car backseat… – [Attendee] Wait, are
you allowed (mumbling). Hold up, hold up, hold up. One, two, thee, four, five, six, about six
here, about six in. We’re going to keep eyes on ’em. Maybe we’ll go to Arundel
for just a class trip. (laughing) Don’t take that, don’t
take that, don’t take that. I love Broadneck. I’m from Broadneck. (background chatter) Ms. Endzel. – And guys just
keep in mind, too. They complied and
did a really good job with cooperating
with the officers. Now if you don’t cooperate, Ms. Holley kind
of hinted at this. She doesn’t come in and she
can’t help you until later. If you think you’re being
arrested unlawfully, you don’t think this
is fair, whatever, arguing with the
officer, not complying, you’re just gonna
pick up more charges. There’s failure to obey,
there’s resisting arrest. And every single one of those carries a period
of incarceration. So just make sure that,
if you are stopped, follow the orders
of the officer. Do what they tell you to do and then talk to your
lawyer about it later. Right then, you tell the officer that you’re not going to do it. That it’s not fair. I saw something on the
internet that says, “You can’t do this to me”. That’s not going
to help you at all. The best thing you can do
is comply, comply, comply. Then Ms. Holley comes in later
and then she’ll help you out. – Take it, take it–
– I’ll probably (mumbling). – Take it a step further. Judge Morrissey said earlier,
and he does it all the time. Tells Officer McKay and Trooper
Fohs that, “That was bad. “That was not a good stop. “That was an illegal search”. That’s his job,
let him help you. But when you’re stopped,
in the first 10 seconds. The first 10 minutes
that your stopped. A please and a thank
you, or yes sir, no ma’am, goes a long way. But doing this, got
you on video, punk. Got you. I ain’t giving you Jack, punk. Right there, the
first 10 seconds, he has discretion to
cite you or not cite you. Arrest you or not arrest you. That’s a choice he gets to make. Give him the chance to make a
good choice cause this saying, “I got you on video, punk”. Maybe your lawful
right, but he says, “Hmm, jail or no jail. “Arrest or no arrest. “Ticket or no ticket.” What’s he gonna do? – [Attendees] Take you to jail. – Yeah, he’s gonna, if
he has a lawful right and a reason, he’s going to. So, let’s make good choices. And keep in mind
that that’s going to be in the report that I see when I’m actually
in court with it. So I mean, if I have a case
where it’s a traffic stop, and the person’s very
polite and cooperative. Versus someone who’s
a jerk to the officer. Which one do you think is
going to get a lesser sentence? I’m going to take all
of that into account. And the officers do
take very good notes when someone’s not cooperative and when someone does mouth off and is doing all
of those things. And just the last thing,
I wanted to bring up. As far as constructive
possession, guys, that’s not just cars. That’s parties, that’s
anywhere you’re at. So be very, very aware. If you’re in a room
with a bunch of people and someone has CDS or something
they’re not supposed to. The cops come in,
everyone can be charged. So just be very, very aware. – Don’t stop there. Hold on one second. Don’t stop there, Ms. Endzel. B cause even having a party
with some beer, Ms. Chester. Isn’t it true that
alcohol under 21 is still an infraction
and we cannot expunge it? She said yes. So listen to me. That’s a party with beer
and liquor and wine, whatever it may be. You get excited, it’s a fine, a civil infraction, that’s true. But it’s on your record forever. And forever. You can’t expunge it. So when you applying to schools (mumbling) the University of
Maryland and they go to pick. Me, clean record. Her. party girl,
just beer and wine. Just beer and wine, Judge. Party girl or me,
who are they picking? Clean, not her. Financial aid. Financial aid. Financial aid,
scholarships for athletes. Clean, party girl. Rock star lacrosse player. Field hockey, swimmer,
whatever it is. Clean, low level, third string, D-back,
– Slow. – Slow.
– Slow. – Rock star athlete,
slow old dude, I’m going, I’m going. – It’s true and even with
law school, they ask that. Have you ever been arrested? Have you ever been in
contact with the police? It’ll affect you throughout
your entire life. So just make sure that you’re
cognizant of everything. Whenever you go to parties. Whenever you’re around
people you don’t know. It can affect you for
the rest of your lives. So, as Judge Spencer– – Judge, can I mention one
piece that you had out before? It’s not just, by the way,
the police officer problem. He’s our social media
king over here, right? – [Shaem] Yeah, my man Chris. – His social media king, too,
has got your party on video. Your SnapChat, Instagram and
shoot, upload into something. And it’s not just
the police problem that you guys have got
to worry about with that. Because college admissions
are now asking for all of your social
media handles. They’re gonna look. Everyone of you
guys knows now that we can probably point
to a dozen examples in the last six
or eight months of coaches who are
pulling scholarships because of what you’re
posting on social media. And so if you’re that two
time state wrestling champ, who’s posting a beer
bong on his social media. Which just cost him $200,000
in scholarship money. Like real money, not
going to the store money. 200K, that’s what it
costs to go to school. That’s legit. – [Shaem] You have a question? – No, but if businesses
see that video, too, they’re probably going
to be like, “Oh no. “I don’t want to
hire these people”. – Not going to get
a job are they? – [Mr. Adams] No, they
look at that, too. – And we’re also
looking at social media. So if you’re charged, we’re
going through all of that, too. So be very, very cognizant
about what you’re posting. I had a theft yesterday
where we tied this guy to several thefts
at Sunglasses Hut. Because he posted
pictures in the sunglasses and in the same clothes he
was wearing in the store. – So when Marcos
has a picture of him at the Arundel
varsity baseball game, with his Arundel baseball
shirt on, that he’s stylin’. – On the cell phone
that we seized. – Yeah, that’s the
one right there. – Before we do a change, people, before we go, does
anyone have questions they want to ask the officers
before they get out of here? They have to go back to work. The ma’am in the far right. – [Female Attendee] So
what is the youngest age you can get tried as an adult? – Ah, great question
because, how old are you? – [Female Attendee] I’m 16. – Charged. (everyone laughing) – It depends at first. There’s two things. One, it depends on
what the charge is. So, there are certain
felonies that if you are 16, you are automatically an adult. And then if you’re 14 to 16, you can be put back down
to the juvenile court. However with almost any felony, we as prosecutors can ask a
judge to review certain factors. Your size, your age, your
maturity, your independence The nature of the crime
and ask for somebody to be treated as an adult. The youngest person I
have treated as an adult was 13 years and 11 months,
and he’s in jail for 85 years. (everyone vocalizing) – [Male attendee]
What did he do? – A crime, yes sir? – A big crime. (everyone laughing) – [Male Attendee] I
wanted to ask the officer, I forgot your last name. – McKay. – [Male Attendee] have you
ever dealt with one of those people who say that
they’re like free citizen and just don’t comply
with American law? – Quite a few times. – [Shaem] Judge
Morrissey, have you? – Yes, many times. This happens in court. A lot of times they’ll come
up and they’ll put a flag up. Or they won’t even
recognize their name, cause they claim that
their names copyrighted. It’s nonsense. I get a lot of
correspondence that way, too. And they spend an
extreme amount of money on postage and stamping. But it really is Wesley
Snipes, the actor. Went to jail based on that
because he didn’t pay his taxes. Because he thought he wasn’t a natural citizen of
the United States. The best I can say
is, it’s nonsense. It’s going to get
you in trouble. It’s funny in a way, but it’s disruptive to
the court proceedings. And people like
that tend to get, go out that door rather
than back out that door, because they’re not
complying with the court. Remember, in court,
I have the power to look over at Bobby and
say, I need this person detained because they’re
causing a disruption. They’re creating
contempt of court. I want you to take them. And I can incarcerate
the person for any period of time that I find
appropriate as long as it’s no cruel and
unusual punishment. It’s pretty awesome power
when you think about it. – Just to go back
on your question. Sunday, Easter Sunday,
I had an experience. I pulled one over
Easter Sunday evening. And it was a gentleman
who was born in 1957. Who was claiming to be
a sovereign citizen. I pulled him over
for a taillight out. I walked up to his truck. He rolled his window
down that much. He didn’t say a single word. All he did was took his papers, threw ’em out the
window, on the ground. Claimed he was a
sovereign citizen. And I had to deal with that. I initially pulled him
over for a taillight out and it went a lot higher
than it should have been. He initially could’ve
gotten a warning. He ended up leaving,
getting a few citations. – [Shaem] Choices, choices
ladies and gentleman, choices. Ma’am, you had a question? – [Female Attendee]
Yeah, I’m just wondering do you have to have
a reason to give them for the dog to search a car. like a normal traffic stop. Do you just let the dog go
through or do you have to have– – [Shaem] The answer
is yes and no. Officer McKay pulled
over the car here. You had a weapon there. If it’s five minutes, dogs
in the neighborhood, why not? You okay with that, Ms. Holley? – [Ms. Holley] You always put me in terrible positions. – It’s not in her
nature to agree. – [Shaem] She’s a public
defender, she’s got to say yes. The answer is, if Officer
McKay calls Trooper Fohs over and he can be here in a
reasonable amount of time for him to complete
that traffic stop, the law says it’s fine. – Yep, it’s fine.
– It’s fine. But he has to do
that traffic stop and own that traffic stop. If, for example, it was
just Marcos in there, and Marcos had a license. And he wrote him a
ticket, gave it to him, and then the trooper got there. Judge Morrissey would
probably throw that case out, saying that’s too long. That’s an unreasonable stop,
and that’s a new arrest. But in the– – [Female Attendee] (mumbling)
level of reasoning (mumbling) – The trooper can walk through. He can walk through
with his dog. So, one of the ones
we have recently, the trooper’s outside
of the stadiums. Just walking the dog in
the middle of the stadium. Picking up any odor that occurs. There’s no protection. – It deals with your
expectation of privacy and what constitutional
guarantees you have. – As long as the dog– They’re gonna do it
whenever they want to, and then it’s a question of– – [Shaem] You have no
privacy expectation on the road out there. In your car, inside, absolutely. Dog are going outside
your car, if he alerts, then they’re gonna
get in your car. In real life, (mumbles)
don’t be outside of the car. He would not come to
your home and do that. He’d go get a warrant for
that, if he wanted to. – We have a couple of questions. – [Shaem] Yes, ma’am? – So, going back to the
demonstration that we had. Since either of them didn’t
have a license or whatever, but especially the driver
didn’t have his license, but the car wasn’t his. Could the criminals be
charged because he allowed– – [Shaem] It’s my
car, let’s ask. So it’s my car, Officer
McKay, and you pull them over. Trooper Fohs, you’re on
alert, you gonna charge me? – If it’s your car sir,
and he had a substantial amount of drugs,
marijuana, everything else. Then not only are you
gonna get charged, but I’m gonna write a
search and seizure warrant. And then come to your house and search your house,
and everything else that’s associated with your vehicle.
– My house? – Yes, sir, your house. – My house?
– Yes. – My whole house?
– Your whole house. – [Shaem] Ms. Holley,
can you get to my house? We’re gonna have
a search warrant party over there, apparently. – Totally. – [Shaem] The answer
is, they’re gonna get a warrant, they’re gonna– – And they’re gonna
seize the car and try to take the car from him too. – [Shaem] Car’s gone. The car’s gonna be on the lot. – (mumbling) charged and
convicted Judge Spencer. Probably not, unless
they can prove he knew at the time
what was in there, and he had some tie to it. But they could go
search his house, and they could forfeit
(mumbling) just said, try to seize it and forfeit it. He could lose his car because
it’s tied to drug activity. So there could be
other consequences besides just getting
charged criminally. – [Shaem] Seeing
the lectures I make. Dear Chief Judge Morrissey. How are you, sir? Yes, it’s 2:00 AM. I’m sorry, Judge. Yes, Chief, I’m arrested. Yes, Chief, it was a felony. Why, Chief? Well, see, I lent some
16 year old my car, cause he wanted
to go to the mall, and he got arrested. Drugs, 75 grams. Fired? Yes, Chief, I’ll turn
my robe and gavel in. I don’t know those kids, but I gave them my
car for no reason. I didn’t know that dude. – [Male Attendee] So, why did
you let me borrow it then? – [Shaem] Because you asked. I’m a nice guy. (laughing) – Do you have a question? – We have one over here. Judge. – [Shaem] Where? Yes, ma’am? – So, do you know
that (mumbling) part
of the (mumbling), because they were accessories? – No, they were part of
the illegal possession. – So, you heard Ms.
Holly say a term called constructive possession. Just because it’s
not in your hand, doesn’t mean under
the eyes of the law, you don’t possess it. So, as long as it’s within, and she said, reach,
lunge, or grasp. so, I think with one of them– – Cayla was sitting there,
you saw Cayla reach, right? – She actually proved
what’s possession. That’s what constructive
possession’s all about. And it’s the same thing
if you’re standing here. So you’re standing here,
and you drop your whatever. Little baggy of
75 grams of heroin right here in the
tree stump behind you. It’s not actually in your hand, but you are possessing that. – And I’m talking
to him, so so am I. Yeah, oh, that sucks. – The argument,
usually in the car, you guys are all gonna
be friends, right? You usually,
typically don’t drive around with people
you don’t know. They’re gonna be your friends, and if one of your
friends has weed on them and you come into court and say, “I had no idea he
had drugs on him. “Yeah, he’s my best friend”. Do you think I’m
gonna believe that? Again, common sense, right? The judge uses common sense in
there, and I’m gonna be like, I knew everything my
best friends were doing. We were all part of it, right? So, I’m gonna know whether
he’s holding or not, right? You gotta be careful about that, because you may not be doing it, but you know your best
friend’s doing it. And yet you’re gonna go to jail as equally as he’s
gonna go to jail. – Before we move on,
the dogs have to go. So do the officers. Anymore questions for
the officer or the dogs? Yes, ma’am? – [Female Questioner] Was
there ever a situation where someone tried
to take the dog? – Hold on, that dog
is sworn, first off. That dog is a sworn officer. – That would be a very
bad day for somebody. – That would be a bad
day for a bad person. Because A, the dog has teeth
that I don’t want in my leg. And B, that’s an
assault on an officer. And C, that’s his partner. And D, his roommate,
and his fourth child. – That’s gonna be a
bad day for somebody. – [Female Questioner]
But has anyone tried to? – No. – No. – Officer McKay, I
got something for you. here you go. – Woo, he found it,
now he’s been arrested, charged, and bailed out. – Awesome, more charges. – All right, ladies
and gentlemen, I’m a change gears,
but before we do that, I want to send–
– One more. – One more question. – [Female Questioner] How
many dogs can (mumbles) have? – At a scene? – (female attendee mumbling). – [Shaem] Tell her. – I mean, that all depends
on what we’re doing. Like, if we’re doing a
search warrant of a house, sometimes we’ve had two dogs. I also carry a bomb dog, so when we work the stadiums, we’ll have six to eight dogs. It all depends on
what we’re doing. If we’re tracking
a felony suspect, we’ll have two, three,
maybe even four dogs. Some bloodhounds,
some patrol dogs, and we’ll be tracking for
miles and miles and miles. – Officer McKay, Trooper Fohs,
thank you both very much. Euro, thank you very much. (attendees applauding) Yes, sir? Go ahead, he’s right there. – (mumbling) Robinwood, you
said was a high crime area. You can use that for suspicion,
so if I was like standing– – I could use that
just as a reason to conduct an
investigative stop. – So, if I was standing
at the 24 mart, and just standing outside
just hanging out, could you– – Walk to you and say,
“What are you doing?” – I can come over
and I can initiate a conversation with you. Try and determine
what you’re doing. What you’re up to and I can
then conduct a field interview. – Did everybody hear that? he asked whether, can
you say it to me again? Being in a high
crime neighborhood gives you any special rights. Did you ask the
question about being in a high crime neighborhood? – And then he asked, what
if he’s just standing outside the Royal
Farms or whatever. Can an officer come
up and talk to him? – I had a case a couple
years ago where there were four individuals
walking down a sidewalk in a high
crime neighborhood. And they had handkerchiefs
out of their back, indicating they were
gang members, typically. Showing their colors
and three of them ran. Well, flight gives
the officers probable cause to believe that
some criminal activity. But the fourth guy
just stood there. They came over and searched him, and he had a knife on
him, but he didn’t run. He didn’t do anything, and
so the issue to me was, is the fact that he’s in a high crime neighborhood
doing nothing. But three of his friends
ran when the police came. Is he guilty of having
that weapon on him or not? And I found “not guilty”. Arguably, some judges would
have found him guilty. But I find that the
constitution doesn’t work differently in a
high crime neighborhood, than it does in a low
crime neighborhood. It works the same
everywhere you are. You have to give some indication of criminal activity
before the officer can come over and stop
you and frisk you. Those are the arguments
that we hear in court. Madam public defender will make
that argument very strongly. And Mr. Adams will make that argument in the
opposite direction. We have to try to find that
balance as a judge somewhere, and sometimes it can
really go either way. And I find myself using
the standards that we have, beyond a reasonable doubt. In my mind, that means
I gotta be really confident that I’m making
the right decision. And I’ve sat there sometimes, when it comes time for
me to give a verdict, and I’m struggling to figure
out which way I’m gonna do. And that makes it easy for me, because then they haven’t proved beyond a reasonable doubt to me. And I know they haven’t, cause I can’t quite
make the decision. – [Shaem] Officer McKay,
thank you very much, sir. – Appreciate it, thank you. It’s always great seeing you. (attendees applauding) – We’re gonna change
gears momentarily. We’re gonna dim the lights, and I’m gonna show you a video. It’s a video of someone
who’s much like you. A high school kid,
around this time, Spring actually, and
something tragic happened. This is not something
that YouTube’s made up. This is a real life video. A real life story that
I find to be impactful, and I’d like you to watch it. Take a look for me, please. I always love sitting
in the back of the room, standing in the back of the room as you all watch the video. I’ve seen the video. Seen it a few times now. I always enjoy
sitting in the back of the room because I like
to see who it impacts most. And I always have a
hunch who it’s gonna be. When it’s parents and students
here, parents cry first. Dr. Arlotto allows me to do this program with the school board. I had great relationships
with people, like Mr. Hood. Dr. Mann is a big
advocate of this program, she’s an assistant
superintendent, Mr. Crane, I saw you wouldn’t
even look at it, man. you’re like me. I never met Mr. Crane,
I knew it was coming. I like to see the
impact of this video. Because if it’s not fresh,
if it doesn’t touch somebody. Then I’m doing my job
wrong and I failed. I like to watch the
biggest, baddest dudes in the room who
grin at me and give me that mug face whole
time in the program. You know who you are, because
I’m all, “look at you now”, but you know who you are. I love watching you look away, when someone’s snot
slips out their nose. That’s real. That’s everyday. No, not everyday for me. I don’t understand the science, I’m not the smartest dude in
the room, I recognize that. So, my opinion, when
you’re part of a team, you know when you’re weak. You get somebody who has
the knowledge, the skillset. No matter what sport
you’re playing. What activity you’re
taking part in. Education, whatever
you’re doing. If you’re weak in that area, get somebody to help you do it. Made a bad choice. Get somebody that can
help you get out of it. I made a bad choice
cause I like that video, but I don’t
understand all of it. So I made a better choice. So I made it right,
I got new friends. Ashley George is my
friend, she’s a nurse. I’m a lawyer. She’s a nurse. She’s smart, I’m just a guy
who likes to talk a lot. But she understands the science. But more important than
science, what was in the video that you may not
understand what’s going on. Or more importantly,
she sees everyday, people like Sean and Rob. This is my friend, Ashley. She’s gonna tell you a little
bit about this video you saw, her everyday life and what
she sees, every single day. Not grown folks
who are old like me and Judge Morrissey,
people like you. Ashley. – Hey, good morning. Thanks for having me,
my name is Ashley. I’m a trauma nurse at
Johns Hopkins Hospital, in Baltimore, in the
emergency department. Thank goodness I only do adults. – But we do see adults
like Sean and Robbie because we take
everybody 15 and older. If you have any
questions, please, that’s
what I’m here for. Please raise your
hand and let me know. Otherwise, I’m just
gonna try to explain to you some of the things
that maybe you didn’t pick up, if you’re not familiar
with what happened. The first thing is that
what they don’t tell you is there were three kids
in the car that day. There was a female. she was ejected from the car
and she died pretty instantly. Or very soon at the site of
the accident from her injuries. Robbie, the second
boy that you saw, he will, he will never
get better from that. But what they were
trying to do is, your muscles have
memory, and so, if you use that muscle
like they picked his hand up and they were trying to make him brush his teeth. Your muscles have
memories, and so, by utilizing that same muscle, they were trying to help
him regain some function. He’ll never breathe on his own, he had a tube in his neck,
which is called a trach. That trach had a
ventilator connected to it, and that was breathing for him. You could see, if you
saw, both Sean and Robbie, their heads were
kind of misshapen. They both had what’s called
a skull flap removed. It allows the brain
to swell so that it doesn’t get
crushed by the skull. The brain can swell and then
take time to heal back down. So they remove part of your
skull, and then close it back up to give your brain time to heal. Because when your
brain gets traumatized, your brain gets
injured like that. It swells up when it’s injured, and if your skull is on there, it causes damage to the brain. The injuries that probably
happened to these boys, and it can happen in a
lot of car accidents. Is you’re driving. You slam on the brakes
or you hit something. And your brain inside your skull bangs forward on the
front of your skull. Bangs backwards on
the back of your skull and swells and gets
injured like that. So, both boys did have
significant brain injury. Sean, the first
boy that you saw, he had several tubes
going everywhere. In both sides of his
nose and into his mouth. The one tube in the one side of his nose was breathing for him. It was a tube going all the
way down into his lungs. And that tube was
breathing for him. He had one tube
going into his mouth. Which was probably
to suck up all the secretions in his stomach. So that they didn’t go into
his lungs if he coughed or by gravity, came back up. He did have significant damage, bandages, blood, the
skull was removed from the front of his head. Which tells me that’s probably
where his brain was swelling. And like the video said, they
were maybe smoking some weed, but they just ran a stop sign. And maybe a second
sooner or a second later, it might not have happened. But it did, because that
was just the timing. And because of
that, one girl died. Sean, they took
off the ventilator, they removed life
support, and he died. And then Robbie is still alive, but he’s no more
functional than that? – [Shaem] Paraplegic. – Yeah, he’ll never
be independent again. Does anybody have any
questions about what they saw? Yeah? – [Female Attendee]
When was this? – About six, seven years ago. It wasn’t in Mark County,
but it was in Maryland. Baltimore County. Rob and Sean and
the young lady that Ms. George told you
about, she passed, were all high school students. They were out on a joy ride. You heard the dad say
they were on a joy ride. Skipping class. Let’s be honest, let’s keep
it real, we all skip class. I skipped class. Not going to skip these classes,
okay, but we skip class, I get that. Don’t skip the
class you’re in now. I understand that, but
they skipped class. Left school. Left school with four friends. Left school, and now there
are only two friends. And of the two, Sean’s
still a paraplegic. A little bit of weed,
that’s all it does. Ashley told me weed, I say
weed, we say marijuana. But tell the science. It doesn’t make our
reaction great, right? – Right. So, there’s a lot
of controversy about legalizing marijuana right now. But the fact is, you
get behind the wheel, it slows your reaction time down so much that if
you were driving, and you were in the same
situation, but you weren’t high, you might be able
to stop in time. But once you’re
under the influence, your reaction time is slow and
you just can’t stop in time. So that could have
been what happened, or they just missed
the stop sign. – Not a myth, it’s factual,
and science says it. I heard you whisper in
my ear over here, dude. Don’t let me drug test you. It’s not a myth, it’s factual. But, let’s be honest, I don’t
care how many of you drive. None of you are as
good a driver as me. By definition, I’ve been doing it a lot longer than you have. I’m not a good driver
as Bobby George. Bobby George been
driving longer than me. And he’s been trained
professionally. Cause he’s an officer
and he had to go through defensive driving and
then the pursuit driving. Things of that nature, so
obviously by definition, he’s better than me. But don’t get it twisted, that one joint slows
your time down. Your reaction time down. And if you’re an athlete,
you see me looking at you, y’all know I’m looking at you. If you’re an athlete, don’t
think, “I’m in great shape”. I used to be in shape. If you’re a student,
don’t think, “Well I got straight
A’s, no big deal”. Let’s keep it real. Let’s say you have less
than 10 grams of marijuana. Civil citation, but you
smoke weed and you drive? That’s still a crime. You’re still going to jail
for a year, a $1000 fine. But who cares about that? Who cares about that? The most important
thing, Mr. Crane, do you have kids? – [Crane] I do. I have an 18 year old son,
and a 16 year old, (mumbling). – Yeah, i have one of
them, a 16 year old. And Mr. Crane, you and I
have something in common. We’re sons and we
have sons, children. And I’ll tell you, I made a
lot of mistakes in my life. I make them every
single day of my life. I make them sit in
there as a judge, and I get off, and
I’m mad at myself. I fail a lot of things
that I do with my life. I failed at everything
in my life so far, frankly, except for one thing. I’m still a work in
progress with my kids. I’m gonna keep working at
it, but I failed as a father. Somehow my son’s
pissed off at me. My daughter’s upset with me. I failed as a son, a
husband, a brother. And I failed as a
son most importantly, and I’ll tell you this is why. Because Mr. Crane
and I, we’re dads. But the worst thing
we can do as sons, cause he’s a son of somebody,
make our mothers cry. Ashley’s here today, I don’t
know where her brother is. Ashley’s dad’s here today,
Ashley’s mom sometimes comes. My dad sometimes comes, and
my dad and her mom both cry. I’ve seen adults cry in here. The worst thing we’re gonna do, son or daughter, is
make your mother cry. I promise you that,
I promise you that. You can let them down,
you can make that right. You can anger them, you
can make that right. You can upset them, you
can make that right. When you see Ashley, and she does all she can do
in the ER to save your life. She does her God’s
best to save your life, and she cannot do
that, and you’re dead. You can’t make that right. You can’t make that right. I want you to have a good time. Soon you’re gonna be
juniors and seniors. You’re gonna party
for your senior prom, or party for the junior prom. Or just party because
you want to party. Maybe y’all win a
baseball championship. Invite me to the game if you go. You’re gonna celebrate at the
party if you win a big game. I don’t know that,
but make good choices. Cause if you’re seeing Ashley, you made a horrible decision, and you made it worse by doing whatever it is that
got to where she is. And you’re laying down, and Ashley’s gonna spend some of her time brushing yo teeth. Any questions about the science or what was going on
with Sean and Rob, you want to ask Ashley? – Did you still want to, okay. – Right there one. – Yeah.
– Yes, sir. – [Attendee] So they only cut
part of the skull (mumbling) – No, I mean, they want to
leave protection for your brain, so they only take,
it’s maybe that big. They only take that much
to give it room to swell, but they want to
leave protection. (attendee mumbling) – The whole, the whole
brain swells, yeah. But different
parts of your brain control different things. The front part of your brain
is doing all of your judgment. All of your thinking. The middle part does
all of your movements and your senses
and your breathing. All that stuff’s important. – [Shaem] Ashley, tell
me about the science of the cerebral cortex
when it’s at its maximum capacity growth or
final formulation, how old are you? Bless you, Jeremy. – In your mid 20’s, 25, 26. – And what does that control? What does that do? – Your judgment,
your personality, all that stuff is
not fully formed until you’re in your mid 20’s. – Did you hear that? 25 when your brain
is fully formed to make good decisions. I’m an old man. I’ve been with my wife
since I was 17 years old. So I told her for the first
17 to 25, 26 (mumbles). All those bad choices I
made, I wasn’t ready yet. I wasn’t grown, right? I wasn’t grown. The problem was, when I got
25 and older and now 45. She’s still married
to me, surprisingly. I tell you this because, I’m a tell you
it’s gonna be okay to make a mistake, because
you’re not ready yet. You’re not fully grown yet. Your brain’s aren’t
developed fully yet. Ashley just told you that. It’s okay to make a bad choice. Make it right. And own it. Because you’re going to,
it’s okay, it’s science. But don’t make it worse, right? Don’t make it worse for me. Yes, sir? (attendee speaking) Yes, in this case, Sean
and Rob’s decisions were impaired by the marijuana. (attendee speaking) – My brain will
never big as probably everybody in this
room right here. I’m not that smart, I get that. But it’s about choices,
and at their age, Sean and Rob’s
age, their choices were impaired by
A, some marijuana. And B, because their
brain’s not fully developed. So, I would love for
you, when you make a bad choice, make it right. – [Attendee] (mumbling) mean by, “You make a bad
choice, make it right? Yes. You know how you make it right? Let’s say you’re
hanging out at a party and your friend made a mistake, and you’re where
you shouldn’t be. Call your mom, call
your dad, call a friend. Get a ride, don’t
make it worse for me. Your friend, you don’t know the person who you say is a friend. You don’t know who
he is or she is. Don’t go with them, don’t
get in the car for me. Before Ashley sits down,
anymore questions for Ashley? – [attendee] Ashley. – Yeah? – [Female Questioner]
Have you seen any cases where marijuana is
laced with something? – Yeah. So, actually, I just
heard about the very first case of somebody dying from
marijuana laced with Fentanyl. – [Adams] We’ve had two
in Ann Arundel County. Broadneck! Right? That’s you guys? – [Attendees] Yeah. – Yeah, you guys
have one of them, and the other one’s
a 19 year old, I can’t remember where
the other one is. Both of them
Fentanyl-laced marijuana. – [Shaem] Mr. Adams, my
dealer would not lace my weed with Fentanyl. – [Adams] Yes he would. – No he wouldn’t.
– Yes he would. – He’s a good dude, I know him. – [Adams] No, he would. It’s about money, it’s not about whether they like
you, Judge Spencer. – [Shaem] I get a good
score from that dude. – And can you tell if
it’s laced with Fentanyl? – No, not at all. – How small is the (mumbles)? – I mean, powder. – Hey, guys, do me a
favor, everybody hold out your hand for a second. I want you to look and put eight grains of
sugar in your hand. Eight grains of sand,
can y’all imagine that? That’s enough to stop my heart. That’s enough Fentanyl
to stop my heart. There’s this stuff
called Carfentanil, have you heard about that? (audience agreeing) – It’s an elephant tranquilizer. – Put it down to
one grain of sand. How many of you all are
seeing that in your weed? Anybody seeing that? And how many of you guys– – [Shaem] Hold on,
hold on, hold on. You saw that in your weed? (laughing) – How many of you guys want
some weed head on a corner mixing up eight grains
of sugar into whatever it is that you’re gonna
put into your body? Who’s gonna trust that guy? Fentanyl is what
anesthesiologists use
to put you to sleep before a doctor
cuts your body open. That’s how powerful it is,
before they cut your body open. And when they do
that, you’ve got, the electrodes on your body. There’s a thing called a crash
cart that keeps you alive in case your heart goes
into cardiac arrest. There’s tubes and stuff. There’s a thing that goes down, you’re intubated so it
can help you breathe. That’s how Fentanyl is used. It’s used by a doctor with
four years of college, four years of med school,
two years of working, before they give it
out on their own. – Five, five years
of working before they give it on their own.
– Oh, five, sorry. See, that’s why we
have Ashley there. – It was just a
comment, first of all, Fentanyl is expensive, so
the people who are lacing, wait, wait, wait. – Wrong.
– Wait, wait, wait. – Fentanyl, it costs 1/10th– – Right now, it’s
cheaper than heroin. – 1/10th the amount
of heroin, a $30,000 volume of heroin costs
$3,000 of Fentanyl. – But that’s because of
dosage and how it affects you, like a lower dosage of
Fentanyl will affect you more than a lot of heroin. – Can you call
Justin back, please? – Wait a sec. People who are lacing
the weed with Fentanyl, I’m sure that the users who
they’re selling to know. Because I don’t think they’re– – No.
– No. – That would be
wrong number two. – Let me tell you about
Memorial Day, two years ago. Memorial Day two
years ago, maybe nine, 10:00 o’clock in the morning. We get our first overdose. They come in, and
we give them NARCAN, which is the antidote to heroin or to narcotics, same as pills. The second one comes
in, couple of minutes later, the third one comes in. And finally we said,
what is going on? And the first guy that
overdosed, he said, “Well, the dealer
that I always go to, “he’s giving away a
Memorial Day taster”. Is what they call it. They give you a
little dose, a taster. Well, guess what? All those tasters that
he gave away from free, to all of these people,
they all overdosed. And they had no idea that
there was Fentanyl in it. – I will agree with you
that some people know when a dealer has
something hot like that. That there are users
that will flock to that cause they know that
is the highest edge that they can get on their high. And they’re willing to play
Russian roulette with it. But, I believe the Broadneck
student, it was passed to him. He did not choose to
put himself down– – Is that a risk
you want to take? – [Ashley] Also– – I’m asking the
question, hold on, Ashley. I’m asking you, is that
a risk you want to take? Hypothetically, is
that a risk that you think your
friends should take? Come on, man. – And then,
understanding that you don’t even know how
well it’s mixed. It’s not like somebody
takes whatever quantity of Fentanyl that
they’re cutting into the stuff that they’re
pushing on the street and it cuts in equally so
that the pill that you get, has the same concentration
as the pill that Marco gets. – By that, I guarantee
what he’s trying to say is, that student who’s selling
that Fentanyl-laced marijuana got a D in chemistry. – [Adams] Didn’t even
make it to chemistry. – He didn’t even pass
9th grade biology. Or she, and she’s
selling the drugs to your students, your
peers, your school. – Look, I get the rationale, you’re trying to
argue rationally. You guys, just listen to
me for one second on this. You guys are trying
to think rationally. Which is great, you’re students, you’re going through
this logically. What we’re talking
about isn’t logical. Dude pushing stuff on the
street, it’s not logical. you could sit here with a great
rational, debatable argument that you as a student
should come up with. We’re talking about the
real life consequences of some fool who doesn’t care whether you live or die. He doesn’t care whether
it’s mixed properly. We deal with that fallout. Your mom and dad,
when they bury you, deal with that fallout. So, I think it’s
great that you can academically confront
me with some concept about whether or not
a kid knows or should know or doesn’t know, but
the truth is, it kills you. We’ve had 51 deaths this year. 25 of them have made
it through the office of the chief medical examiner. That means that they’ve
had the toxicology done on the dead person. They’ve taken their blood. They’ve seen what chemical
is inside of their blood. 20 of those 25 that
they have confirmed, straight Fentanyl. The other four of five are
heroin-Fentanyl mixture. 24 out of 25 cases are
dead from Fentanyl. I got one dude who’s died
from a heroin overdose, one. Please, I mean, I know
you guys can argue. It’s great, you’re students. It’s just not the truth
of what’s going on. – [Shaem] Ashley, go ahead. – Trust me when I
say that they’re not, the dealers are not
telling who they’re dealing to what’s in it. I know that they might
know their dealer. Might be their
next door neighbor. The dealer does not
care if Shaem overdoses, he’s still getting money. – (attendee speaking) (Ashley laughs) – And it might not even
be that they’re purposely putting it into
marijuana, or whatever. It’s so sensitive that we just had a meeting with all
of our county (mumbles), and none of us are
allowed to even handle the bags in court
because there could be residue on the outside
that could kill us. And they said, even when they
open the bags and close them, they can’t prevent the dust and
the residue from coming out. And if we were to get
that on our fingers and somehow if we
ingest it, we could die. So, it could be, say your
dealer’s also mixing heroin and whatever and he’s
also doing, he’s also… – [Ashley] Wrapping. – Wrapping weed. – [Ashley] or bagging. – And bagging it and weighing
it on the same scales. You don’t know what
else he’s doing. It could get in it that way. It might not be purposeful,
but it’s still happening. – One last thing I
wanted to just share. Judge Spencer and
Zack, who’s coming in, will talk about this too. He’s my brother,
he’s a firefighter. They carry,
firefighters, and I think a lot of police officers
now, are carrying NARCAN. NARCAN is the antidote to heroin and pills and stuff like that. if you ingest and you overdose, meaning you’re not breathing,
they can give it to you. it takes away your
overdose and you wake up. The problem is, that was
created for things like heroin. Things like Fentanyl, and
especially Carfentanil. They’re having to give
six, seven, eight doses. In order to wake somebody
up, to bring them back. And they don’t carry, my brother
Zack, who’s a firefighter. he gets two doses of NARCAN,
that they can give you. That will not wake you up
from a Fentanyl overdose. You need sometimes
two just to wake up from a heroin overdose,
so let me tell you. If it happens, there might not
even be enough to save you. Which is sad, by the
time you get to me. – And the second part
of NARCAN is that the half life of NARCAN is about half of the time that the
heroin will affect you. So you may have enough NARCAN
to bring you back to life. But when that chemical agent
stops working on your body, you still have the
powerful affect of– – Overdose again. – Yeah, you re-overdose. We just had a kid who was hit
with seven hits of NARCAN, and about three hours later, they had to send
him in to the ER cause he had had so much
Fentanyl in his system. – I’m so confident. First of all, Ashley, thank
you very much for helping. Helping me, helping
our students, our
friends, understand. Can we give Ashley a
hand of applause, please? (audience applauding) Jeremy, you’re next. I’m so confident
that you guys are not going to use the
drugs, I’m good. But I want to tell
you something. I know that you’re
all good people. I know it. I’ve been doing
this now long enough to also know that
good people make bad choices
sometimes, it happens. Told you before, I own mine. I’m one of them, I
made bad choices. Not too long ago, recently. I don’t know if I want to say
I had the privilege and honor, or the responsibility
and duty, to try a case. I sat on the case,
and I was moved. Someone over here asked me how long ago the case was
involving Sean and Rob. I had a case
involving a young man by the name of Ryan Jeffries,
and it was just the other day. I had a case involving
my friend, Ryan Jeffries, and it was here in
Ann Arundel County. I had a case involving
Ryan Jeffries, and the incident happened where you and I live. You Old Mill students, you
feed in from the Severn area. The Hanover area over that
way, it happened over there. And as I’m hearing the case, I thought nothing about
schools and court. I heard the case. And to close the case, I
had one thing on my mind. One thing on my mind,
and one thing only. It wasn’t, if. It wasn’t, when. It was, how long. How long, Shaem, are
you going to do this? And do you have the
courage, the guts, and the gumption to do it? Oh heck yes, I did. But I can’t tell the story. I can’t tell it right
because I get emotional. So I asked my
friend, Mr. Lerner. Ben Lerner’s the prosecutor
that tried the case. He’s the young man Mr.
Adams assigned to the case, charged the case,
brought the case forward. I want him to share
the facts of the case, and as it went forward, how
we got where we are today. Ben. – As Judge Spencer
said, I’m Ben Lerner. I’m a prosecutor
here in the county. This is Ryan Jeffries. Judge Spencer told you, he
had an incident that happened. December 12th, 2015,
is when it happened. But I’m going to take
you back before that. Ryan grew up in
Anne Arundel County, he’s from Anne Arundel County, he went to South River,
got into college. He went to college, graduated. Got a good job, moved back here. Had a successful
life, was doing well. December 12th, 2015,
he was at a party. He drank a little bit, and
he made a simple choice. Decided to drive home. It’s easy, anybody could do it. That’s Kason Donato. Ryan didn’t know Kason. Kason has a mother
who loves him. He has a fiance, he’s
got a son, Bryson. This photo was taken
December 12th, 2015. That’s the last time
that his son saw him. At about 1:40 in the morning, the police received
this 911 call. – [911 Operator] Anne
Arundel County 911. – [Male Caller] A kid just got
hit (bleeping) middle of 170. I mean, just totally
ran (bleeping) the
car just kept going. Dude is dead, dude is dead right at the street from
the (mumbles) 170. – [911 Operator] Sir (mumbles). – [Male Caller] (mumbling). (bleeping) (dial tone) (phone ringing) – [Male Caller]
He died, he died. (phone ringing) (911 operator speaking) – [Male Caller] A
kid just got hit, he literally just
got ran (bleeping) in the middle (bleeping) 170. (mumbling) He just got ran over
as the car (bleeping). – [911 Operator] Where is it? – [Male Caller] It’s literally
on the right-hand side, across from from
the trailer park. Across from the
trailer park on 170, past the fire station on 170,
headed up towards (mumbles) On the right hand
side (mumbles). Oh my God. – [911 Operator] What’s
the closest intersection? – [Male Caller] There’s
no intersection. He was literally out in
the middle of the road. I went past, and I just
happened to see him. Then all of a sudden
the car that’s coming up behind me
done ran him right over. – [911 Operator] Okay, is
it near Florida Avenue. – [Male Caller] (mumbling) he
went towards Florida Avenue. I kept coming because I
didn’t see what was going on. – [911 Operator] What’s the
intersection where he was? – [Male Caller] Oh my God. He was going
(mumbling) before 90. – [911 Operator] What? – [Male Caller] (mumbles)
the bar, on 170. – [911 Operator] What’s
the intersection, sir? – [Male Caller] There
is no intersection. – [911 Operator] What’s
the closest intersection? – [Male Caller] I guess it’s– what’s the closest
intersection (mumbling). I don’t know, Virginia Avenue. I’m gonna get ready to
turn around and come back. Oh my God. I live right up the street. I’m turning around
and coming back. – [911 Operator] Okay. – All right, this is
real, this happened here. Ann Arundel County
police responded to that. – [911 Operator] Can
I get your name, sir? No, he hung up. – When they got there… That’s what they found. That’s Kason Donato. The picture you saw
of him holding his son 12 hours earlier,
that’s him now. When the police got there, the
car that hit him, Ryan’s car. Well, it was gone, he left. The police found evidence,
they tracked him down. They went to his
house, they found him. Found out he had been drinking,
and they arrested him. Simple choice. Ryan was drinking, he got
behind the wheel, he drove home. That’s Kason Donato,
and now Ryan’s arrested. He hired the best lawyer. One of the best lawyers
in the whole state. Came to court, found
guilty by Judge Spencer, and now he’s looking at years. Years of his life that he
might have to spend in prison. Kason’s dead, and Ryan is now
looking at years of jail time. Has to face Judge Spencer. – Real. I was looking at my friends
over there from Old Mill. Because as I listen to this 911. I’ve heard it, this is the
third time I’ve heard it. The first time was in trial. Mr. Lerner played
it for me again. I drive that road everyday,
it’s Telegraph Road. I drive it twice a day
to get to and from work. Sometimes six
times a day getting my kids to and from practices. I want you, in your
mind, think about it. What road do you tell
them is a crossroad? Virginia Avenue is
far down by Ridgeway. There’s Old (mumbles), but the
old Severn Inn’s there now, but there’s no road right there. You’re in a panic, what do
you tell this 911 caller? I do it everyday now, I
think of Kason everyday. (mumbles) backpack was
found in the woods. Who says Kason
should go to jail? I mean, sorry, who says
Ryan should go to jail? You’re daggon right,
you’re daggon right. But he’s not in jail,
he’s not in jail. Not now, not today, not anymore. That’s on a street
in your county. Some of you drive it everyday. I can’t make it
more real for you. That’s a case that
that man right there, who lives in this county,
tried, was found guilty. Can’t make it more real for you. Oh, but I can. Because the man
who did that needs to stand up and own
that, and he will. Ryan, appreciate
you coming today. This is Ryan Jeffries,
ladies and gentlemen. This is the man you
saw in the first clip. He wants to tell
you some things. – How are you guys doing today? I’m here to talk to you. Speak to you about something
awful that happened. The biggest mistake of my life. I have made thousands,
millions, of all the right ones. I had graduated high
school, went to college, made my parents proud,
started a family. Done everything right. I did one thing wrong, and
it cost someone their life. And I cannot tell you
enough how one decision, however inconsequential,
however small. Can change your life and
the life of everyone else. I just want you
guys to understand that just making
one single choice, it doesn’t matter
how small it is. Can literally change
your life forever. It can undo everything. All the good that you’ve
done in your life. For one simple mistake,
one poor decision. And, you guys, I know
you’re not driving yet. I know you haven’t had the
chance to get out there and experience the
world and go through awful things like this. But I don’t want you
to have to do that. I want you to learn
from my mistakes. I want you to see that
I’m just like you. I literally came to School
in Court, 10 years ago. I sat right in that
chair, I sat there. I sat here and listened. I sat through this whole thing, and I didn’t take
it all to heart. But please take it to
heart for me, please. Please think about
that before you do have this chance to drive,
this privilege to drive. This privilege to go have fun. This privilege to
go live your lives. Please don’t make that same
mistake, and learn from this. And take this
opportunity to learn from everyone here
who has spoken to you. To understand what you can
do, that you can change. That you can not make
these poor decisions. But in some cases you will. And I just want you guys to
know that even though you will, that there’s a chance
for you to make it right, and for you to make it better. And like Judge Spencer said,
he wanted you to own it. I went in there and I owned it. And I want to
introduce you today to the man who
gave me my freedom. But I also want to introduce you to the woman who
gave me my life back. And that’s Kason’s
mom, who came here. Who held my hand while this
presentation was going on. To tell me that it was okay. That she forgave me. That she had the compassion to forgive me for the
loss of her son. – [Shaem] That’s not
it, that’s not just it. Ryan had a chance to speak
before I put him in jail, not in jail, out of
jail I should say. And I’ve been doing what
I do for a very long time. I’ve heard a lot of cases. Never in my life, in
my 20 some odd years of experience as being a lawyer. Have I sat in a courtroom
just like this, packed. Every person in the room was
bawling, myself included. The bailiff, the
courtroom clerk, the defense lawyer, Mr.
Ryan Jeffries was crying, Mr. Ben Lerner was crying. And it wasn’t because
of anything I said, or what Ryan said
at that juncture. There’s, in my opinion, two
reasons Ryan’s not in jail. What Ryan told me, he’ll
finish doing that momentarily. It was the heart,
the compassion. I don’t have the words for you. I bawled, I got off the
bench and bawled some more. But Kason’s mom spoke. And she begged me not to
put him in jail any longer. And I thought about it,
but I got off the bench and I said, I thought to myself, “I’m not sure I can do this”. And then she got back up again, I’m gonna put her on the spot. Cause as part of
Ryan’s probation, for the next five
years of his life, he’s gonna make this right. But I had to make sure
Kason’s memory was not lost. In my opinion, and she’s here. I don’t know if you– It’s hard for me,
that’s her son. We’re gonna change that clip. Do you want to
speak to these kids? – Sure. – [Shaem] If that doesn’t move
you, I don’t know what does. That’s Kason’s mom,
that’s someone’s mom. And the man who took
her son from him. – Good morning, everyone. The first thing I need
to do is give honor and glory to my God
and my Lord and Savior. Because without Him,
I wouldn’t be here. Standing here,
able to talk to you and to show you that God
is love and love exists. Everyday you turn on your
TV, you see something bad. You see something hateful,
you hear it everyday. But not often do people
have the strength and the courage to
stand before you and show you and display love. And that’s why I’m here. To show you that Ryan
made a terrible mistake, and he should not have to spend the rest of his life not
having support and love. Not just from his family, but from the people
that God brought in his life for that very reason. Which is to show you
guys that love is real. Can you turn back
to my son, please, for one moment, the picture. This is the first
time I saw my son after he moved out of my house. I live in New
Jersey, by the way. We’re from New Jersey. My son moved to Maryland where
my stepfather lives in Bowie, after he graduated high school, He came to stay with me once he wanted to come back home. He moved out around the
second week of November. And I hadn’t seen him since. His birthday was November 16th, and this was taken 17 days
after his 24th birthday. 17, I want to pause right
there just to rewind and tell you that I was 15
when I got pregnant with him. I had him at 16, and the scrutiny that
I had to deal with, being pregnant as a teenager. Losing friends because
their parents didn’t want them around me because
I made a mistake and I went against my mother
and my father’s rules. I did something that caused
me to get pregnant at 15, and I had him at 16. I lost a lot of friends, but I never lost my mother
and father’s support, and the community
that I grew up in. They helped me raise him. They helped me raise this
beautiful soul right here. And him and I, right
before he moved out, we got into an argument. We hadn’t spoken for
about three weeks, and it was eating me up. Because there’s a part
of you as a parent, who don’t want to let
your child grow up. And you know the best
decisions for your child. At least you think you know. And we had an argument
that was so bad that we didn’t speak
for about three weeks. And then the Wednesday
before he passed away, my son had gotten
bitten by a spider, and he put the
picture on Facebook. Well, you all know that
he deleted and blocked me, cause he didn’t
want to talk to me. But he was still friends
with my girlfriend. She called me and she said,
I was in school by the way, she called me and she said,
“Monica, you need to call Kason. “He’s in the hospital. “His leg is extremely swollen “and it looks like
it’s infected”. And that was on a Wednesday. I called him, he
answered my phone. I didn’t think he
was gonna answer, but he answered my call. And we spoke for
about five minutes before the doctors
came in, and he said, “Mommy, I’ll call you back”. I didn’t think he
would, but he did. And before he could
even say hello, I said, “I am so sorry”. He said to me, “Mom,
you’re not sorry, remember? “Your mother did not
raise a sorry child But I will accept your apology”. I taught all my children that. You don’t say, “I’m sorry”. You apologize and you
ask for forgiveness. Because even too, as
adults, we make bad choices. we make wrong decisions,
but you can always right it. Right, you can make it right. That was on a Wednesday. Saturday, the last
time I spoke to my son, was about 11:36 in the morning. He told me him and Leanne,
which was his fiance, and his son were
gonna go do laundry. They were gonna go run errands. And I said, “I’ll
come to Maryland”. He said, “No, mom. “Don’t worry about it. “I don’t need you to come,
let’s shoot for next weekend”. I said, “You sure? “Because I know you need help. “You and Leanne need
help with the baby. “Me, mommy, we’ll pack up
the truck, we’ll come”. “No, mom, it’s okay”. His last words to me
were, “I love you”. “I’ll talk to you later”. – [Shaem] What was the next phone call you
received, Ms. Monica? – That was Saturday. Sunday, I’m texting,
no response. Monday, I’m texting,
no response. Tuesday, I’m engaged in
a conversation at school with two of my
classmates about him. And we’re laughing because
he was a class clown. And my cell phone
was blowing up. Can’t have cell
phones in school, but it was blowing up to the
point where I looked at it. And I noticed Leanne, and
I said, “It’s gotta be an “emergency because
she’s calling me”. And when I hit the green button, she was screaming, hysterically. “He’s gone, he’s gone! “He’s dead, he’s dead!” And I said, “What are
you talking about?” “Kason, he’s dead”. Meanwhile, I hear
the officer asking her to give him the phone. I dropped to my knees,
and he said, “Ms. Donato”, and all I heard was, “Is
Kason Donato your son?” And I said yes. I can’t tell you
anything else after that, but I had to find
out my son died three days later,
over the phone. Imagine your parents
having to go through that. – [Shaem] I want
to fast forward, because she heard that. We had our trial. (mumbling), Ryan. Go ahead, I’ll just stand here. (Shaem talking)
– Yes. Go ahead, Ryan. Go ahead. – This was me, I was
just like you guys. This is one of my
friends’ weddings. We were having a good time, having a party,
enjoying ourselves. Like you guys all
do, every Saturday. Every Sunday, we were
all in high school. We all did the same thing. You’re gonna grow up,
you’re gonna go to college. You’re gonna drink, you’re
gonna do the same thing. You’re probably gonna try drugs. You’re gonna make decisions
that aren’t the best. But we make decisions in
life and we learn from them. I hope that you
guys can take from this that you can
learn from that. And that when you do
make a poor decision, the most important
thing is to just own it. To own that decision. This was me, we had a
trial after the accident. I received this,
these were charges for a hit and run,
drinking and driving. You can see my car. This is Kason. This is how he
should be remembered. This is the young man that gave so much happiness to the world. So much happiness to this
woman right here, to his mom. His mom is here. The compassion and the
faith this woman has to be able to come here
and support me in this. The person who took her son,
it just, it knows no bounds. And it’s a testament to Kason,
to what she gave to him. To what she’s given
to her other children. To what she’s
given to you today. – And don’t be mistaken,
don’t get it twisted, okay? After he was found guilty
I asked Judge Spencer, I stood up and I said, “Put Ryan Jeffries in
jail, Judge Spencer. “Look what he did, put
him in jail, for years.” And you know who got up and told Judge Spencer not
to put him in jail? – The woman with the biggest
heart, the most courage, the most humility, the most
strength and love in this room. – And the reason
that she did that, I wanted him to go to
jail for what he did. She wanted him to be
able to get out of jail. To be in this room
today to talk to you. To talk to everybody, so you
guys don’t do the same thing. that’s what she wants. – She wants to spare your life. She wants to spare your life. She doesn’t want your mom
getting that phone call. Your dad, your
grandma, your aunt. I can’t make this up. He stood up, asked for jail. He spoke, said
whatever he had to say. Ms. Donato spoke once. I got off, I cried, I came back. You can’t see, or I can’t see. But behind that
curtain right there is Ms. Lisa, she’s my
courtroom clerk. And Bobby George is
probably behind there. Lisa heard this. (knocking) She picked up the
phone, called lockup, and Bobby walks around. Because what that
means to Lisa is, I’m about to put
somebody in jail. Bobby knows that,
stands behind them, pulls the handcuffs
out, secures them. She made the phone
call, the guard came out and stood behind Mr. Jeffries. I look him in the face
every time I see him now, I don’t make bones about it, I wanted to put you in jail. – For years. – I’m angry. My God, I was angry. I was hurt. Mr. Crane, I’m a dad
just like you, man, and I was dying inside. Dying inside. And there’s one thing, one thing to stop that from happening. Saved Ryan Jeffries
from spending a very, very, very,
very long time in jail. Monica Donato said,
“Judge, you can’t do that”. She actually walked over, did what she did
earlier, I was humbled. She hugged him and said,
“You gotta save his life. “Kason Donato can’t
die for nothing. “Someone’s gotta do something”. I said, “Okay”. I got down, I brought
the lawyers back. We wiped our tears,
and we got a plan. This is my plan. If that don’t move
you, nothing will. Skip the dead body up
there, cause she saw it. She cries when she sees it. We’ve come almost
full circle, not yet. But what I’m gonna tell you
is something from earlier. Judge Morrison said it to you, Dr. Arlotto said it to
you, this is real life. I don’t know any of you. I like you, but I
don’t love you yet. Give me a chance,
I might love you. But there’s love in this room. The love that this woman
carries in her heart, not just for her
son, for all of you. Ryan said it, you’re
gonna make some choices. I don’t want you to
smoke weed, you might. I don’t want you to
drink, you might. I don’t want you to drink
and drive, you might. Own it and make it right. Because I can’t promise you. I can’t promise you
the young man you kill, will have a mom
like this superhero. – [Ben] I’ve never seen
anything like it before. I don’t think Judge
Spencer has either. – Not in all my life. I think about it
on a daily basis. I told you, I drive
that road everyday. When I think about having to see Ms. Donato, I get teared up. But then I see her
and Ryan interact, and I heard the words she said. I have the notes
that I scribbled down on my trial pad in my chambers. You don’t know this,
I keep it on my desk. I don’t have a picture
of Kason on my desk. I don’t have
anything from Kason. I have Ms. Donato’s words. Because that is what spared Ryan Jeffries from
going to jail. But that also allows
me the privilege of giving her the
benefit to speak to you. Good dude. Good dude. Sea hawk. South River. Went to college. Got his masters. got a job, did fabulous things,
record was crystal clean. Good dude made a bad choice. Anybody still want
him to go to jail? Go ahead, be brave, tell him. He’s right here, he don’t care. Yeah, look, look,
look, prosecutors do. He ain’t mad at you. He’s not in jail,
anybody okay with that? I’m okay with it, I’ve
come to grips with it. Because Ms. Donato
asked me to do so. Not for her, not for her
ego, not to lessen her blow. In my opinion, to
save your lives. To save your lives. Maybe one of you, job
well done, Ms. Donato. Maybe five of you, you’re
a superhero, Ms. Donato. Maybe 10 of you, you are among the gods in my eyes, Ms. Donato. I’ll be honest, he’s a dad. Mr. Crane, you’re a dad. Mr. Adams, you’re a dad. Dr. Arlotto, you’re a dad. I challenge you, I don’t
have the courage to do that. I don’t, so I’m a
give you my mean mug, my (mumbles) face and say, “Judge, put that man in jail
and throw away the key”. (laughing) I stand here
next to this woman, and those words never
came across her lips. The thought, at
least in my mind, in that day, never
crossed her mind. Her mission, it didn’t
involve you at that point. her mission was to
make sure Kason, his passing didn’t
go for naught. And we then we
thought this through. How can we do this? How can we make this worthy? First thing I did
was call Dr. Arlotto. “Can I have lunch?” That man said, “I’ll meet
you at the normal spot”. I won’t tell you where it is. I’m at the normal
spot and we had lunch. And after I met with Mr.
Jeffries and Mr. Lerner, I had gotten Ms. Donato’s
approval, this is the result. I’ll be honest, this
is the second time we’ve done this
with Kason and Ryan. First time was, I
would give us about a 85% on our score, agree? I’m a tell you why. Cause it didn’t have
the secret ingredient to bring it all home
and make it real. I didn’t have this, a mom. Man, I’m a dad, and I
think I’m a great dad. I think I’m a rockstar. But I know that at
the end of the day, I’m just a dad and
mom’s rule the world. I’m a son, and I love
my mommy best, bro. I love my mom to death, so have someone’s mom
standing here is okay. Having Kason’s mom here, I
think brings it all home. We talked, and here we are. Let’s show another
slide of Kason. There’s one more slide
I want you to see. Look at that beautiful woman
and that beautiful man. That was right before, that
was at the church, right? – Uh-huh. – Look at that young man. One more. (Bryson cooing) That is his son. That’s his son,
holding his picture. Now, I got teenagers, he don’t. You got young ones,
you remember that. Dr. Arlotto, you
remember when your kids were young as that one? Imagine them holding
your picture, not having your dad there, man. Better yet, you’re teenagers. Imagine not having
your mom or dad there. Graduation picture,
team picture, (mumbles) championship,
not there. Imagine that. Well, mom and dad will be there, but you won’t be because
you’re drunk or high. One more. I’m not coming to your funeral. I’m not. I won’t keep it together,
because I failed you. Ryan made a point,
he said it last time, I’m diligent and copious. I hope you guys take, I take
notes the whole time here, I want to know what I’m doing,
what I’m gonna say next. Ryan came to School
in the Court, sat on that side 10 years ago. Tell you something. My colleagues who did this
before did a great job. My colleagues before me
didn’t have what I have. I have a fabulous team, I have a great friend in Dr.
Arlotto to help me do this. This program’s come light
years from where it used to be. 10 years ago, they didn’t
have Monica Donato. 10 years ago, they
didn’t have some judge that was gonna put
Ryan Jeffries in jail. 10 years ago, they didn’t
have Mrs. George here to tell you about what
happened in the hospital. They didn’t have that, I got it. In 10 years, I hope
Dr. Arlotto’s still
there and I’m gone. I’m not gonna be
doing this then. But I hope someone says,
“That program then, “that was the bomb diggity “and that dude rocked it
well, in his pink shirt”. Tie, I’m sorry, and
my socks, Mr. Adams. See, I got it all,
but I have Ms. Donato. If that doesn’t change something in your lives, nothing will. Nothing. Part of this issue
is, the premise. Ryan’s here, ask him a
question if you want to. be brave, ask him. The super human’s here, if you want to ask her
while she’s here, ask her. Mr. Lerner’s here. He talks to me now. For a period of time, we
weren’t even communicating. He wouldn’t even look
at me, he got over it. You have a question, young man? Yes, sir? – [Justin] How did
you learn to forgive? – Come here, please. Do you mind if I give you a hug? What’s your name? – Justin. – I called Justin up here
cause he’s fond of you, and he was distracted, and I
wanted him to pay attention. I put you on blast, I’m sorry. (laughing) He was a little distracted but
I wanted him to come up here. Because me too, like all
of us, can be distracted. And distractions can
cause issues that cause us to make mistakes
because we’re not listening. We’re not actively listening, and I want him to
actively listen to me. I want to be able
to hear him clearly, because I want him to
hear my response clearly. But I also want to let you know that I’m here to pay
attention to you. So, ask your question again. – How did you learn to forgive? – How did I learn to forgive? I believe in God. I believe in God,
and God controls
everything inside of me. Behavior is learned. But I can’t explain it
from a spiritual sense. At least, maybe not right now, how I was able to forgive Ryan. But I never, and hate is a
strong word, I never hated him. I was angry, because of
what happened to my son, but I never hated him. I wanted to meet him,
I wanted to see him. I wanted to have a one-on-one conversation with
him, and we will. But I need to be
a part of his life to continue the love
that I feel in here. I needed to execute
into him, on him, around him, so we
can pass it to you. So, I don’t know if I directly answered your question,
“How did I forgive?” I just know how to love,
and I know how to love hard. I know how to love passionately. It’s innocent, it’s
real, and I’m just gonna continue to do that
and keep God first. – The distinction is,
that’s a mother’s love. You like her, she likes you. I’m telling you both now, you don’t love her and
she don’t love you. You know why? I won’t let it happen yet. You’re not old enough
to love him yet. When you’re like 25
and you still dig him, then you can love him. She might like you,
you might love her, you can’t love her
yet, you ain’t grown. At 25, she still like
you, come see me, I’ll marry you myself. That love’s the love you
need, a mom’s love, bro. – Okay, thank you. – In all seriousness,
it is that love, that humility, that
passion that didn’t send Ryan Jeffries to jail. I’m gonna say it again,
in a criminal matter, the defendant always
has the last word. Always has the last
word, and Ryan spoke. The tap happened. I tapped on my
desk, it was over. Ms. Donato stood up and
came back and she asked me what she asked my young
man, Justin right here, “Judge, can I give him a hug? “And I want to tell him, I’m
sorry he’s going through this. “I want to tell Ryan’s family, “I’m sorry they’re
going through this”. Cause Ryan’s family is there,
and his friends are there. His colleagues and
neighbors are there. And she asked me
to give that man a hug and tell him, he’s sorry. She’s sorry to him. I knew at that juncture,
nothing I could do. Then she asked me not to do what I was gonna do, and
I honored her request. Some of you may
say, “You’re crazy”. Some of you may say,
“You’re stupid”. Some of you say, “You’re
soft and you’re light”. I say, I had a chance
and an opportunity. I’ve been blessed with the
privilege of having the benefit of Ms. Donato and Mr.
Jeffries in my life. That makes a difference. 10 years ago, someone’s
talking to Ryan back there, it didn’t
make a difference. I’m hoping 10 years later, someone who was you, someone who was you, someone you all have or
had, makes a difference. That’s my hope, that’s my hope. Ryan’s gonna do this again,
cause I’m gonna ask him to. Ryan’s gonna do something
else, cause I’ll ask him to. But I want you to know
part of what spared Ryan, was Ryan did a lot, and
I didn’t ask him to. He was humble and
owned his mistake. And turned in a
courtroom like this, and apologized to Ms. Donato. Before he knew I was
gonna or not gonna do. I understand that
someone’s life was taken. Not lost on me, but the
person who that affects most, has asked to make a
difference in your lives. And I’m begging
you, don’t make that three plus hour drive from
New Jersey this morning, to get up at two
o’clock in the morning to be here to talk
to you, that’s her, go for naught. I’m not paying her to be here. I didn’t buy her gas,
I might buy her lunch. But she’s here because
she wants to make a difference in your lives. Help me make, her the
rockstar that she is. You have a question or do
you just want to say hi? – No, I have a question. – Yes, Ma’am. – How can you forgive someone that you can’t see,
you can’t touch, and you can’t hear? – You said, how do I forgive? – [Female Questioner] As advice, how can you forgive
someone that you can’t see, touch, or hear? someone that’s not here? – I have faith in
God, faith in prayer. – Ladies and gentlemen,
this is my second time. My second benefit and
privilege of working with Ryan and Ms. Donato. I gave us an 85 the first
time, I’m gonna give us a 98. I want to earn the 100% on this
test, on this presentation. The way I earn my 100, is
that this team does their job. And we do our job
collectively as one team is if when we leave
here, we go do our thing, and
you do your thing, and make some better choices. Kason Donato, Telegraph Road, Ryan Jeffries. I’ll say it one more
time, Kason Donato. That’s with a K, I want it to be in the
back of your heads. And then you heard
what his mother said. Ms. Monica Donato
said she’s here cause she has love to give, you. Don’t make it for naught. We’re gonna change gears
and turn the cameras off, and ask the lawyers to
get their cases together. and they’ll present you
a few cases real quick. Before we do that, I’d
like to give Ms. Donato and Mr. Ryan Jeffries
a round of applause for their humble– (attendees applauding) Thank you so much. (mumbles), you know that, right? I appreciate it. (tense music)

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