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  1. Alot of documentries of Law Students "Stripping" to pay for it and with over 150,000K in Debt I don't blame them.

  2. Another great presentation D.J., especially as to computer issues. In my last semester, my car was rear ended and my, pardon the expression PC was destroyed. Fortunately I was diligent in backing up everything everyday to diskettes (remember those?). After law school, switched to MacBook Pros with TimeMachine backing up every hour and a separate drive every day. Why? When write a 40 page Brief and you have an equipment failure, you have a big problem. As always, good advice.

  3. I’ll second the call for a review of The Paper Chase. A fear of ending up with a professor Kingsfield (or several) is one of the reasons I didn’t pursue a law degree… I’ve often wondered how accurately it depicted Law School in general

  4. It can be quite the opposite too, when I was in school for my line of work, I rarely did assignments, rarely answered questions, did subpar on labs, then aced all of the finals. So nobody thought I was smart, they thought I was a slacker but I was able to gain so many points towards my grade just by acing finals.

  5. I had a friend of the family went through the LSAT and at the end realized he was one number off on his answer form.

  6. Remember the movie "The Paper Chase". Total recall was no use – in and of itself – for the student.

  7. The judge threatening the intruder – Go, and sin no more! – was a liberal. Threatening him was way more generous than calling the cops.

  8. $160,000 for law school?! Man, Brits have got it easy. In England it's £27,000 which, after Brexit, is $27,000 (ho,ho,ho). In Scotland university tuition is free, if you get a place. Worst comes to the worst you can do a distance learning law degree for £6,000. Four thousand if you already have a degree in something else.

  9. I learned from a great lawyer Bob Noel (defended the kids in the Jena 6 trial) to try and answer a lot of questions in class. It helps strengthen critical thinking.

  10. Judge to burglar: "You are now going to take the BAR exam. For every wrong answer you provide, I will… well why ruin the surprise."

  11. Do you always wear white shirts cause you sweat and sweat never shows up on a white shirt? Cause thats why I literally always wear a white collared shirt lol

  12. Yep I had a similar incident with a USB flash drive back in 2011 while working on my MBA. I was traveling and periodically getting some classwork done while visiting my nieces when my flash drive completely stopped working. Fortunately I was testing this kooky invention called Google Drive so it wasn't a total loss but losing several assignments, presentations, and reference material set me back a few weeks. Definitely be vigilant about backup methods and there's nothing wrong with redundancy which is invaluable for these unexpected moments.

  13. So, I have a story, too. My best friend in law school was sitting next to me during our Torts exam. She had told me a week before that some of her keys were sticking, but I thought she’d gotten it fixed. Well, in the middle of the exam, I’m suddenly shaken out of my exam fog by her closing her laptop, getting up, and walking out. She went to call IT and the keyboard had completely stopped working. She lost 20 minutes, but came back and still managed to finish with a bluebook. Bonus round: One of my classmates got the Blue Screen of Doom during her Con law final.

  14. I have listened to at least ten of this guys videos and have never heard one thing…I HAVE heard about his grades and testing and his great income and jobs… What I have never heard is the slightest interest in the welfare of his clients. Great for him but for what I pay attorneys I want him to prioritize the objective facts about MY concerns…

  15. You show up to court and realise you brought documents for a different case!

    …. also you were died the whoolllee time. WooOoOOoOoOooo

  16. 1. Reading lists measured in feet of paper not pages.

    2. Finding out that understanding legislative provisions is 1% of the actual answer with 49% is judicial interpretation and 50% is distinguishing facts among cases

    3. Finding out that your entire law school curriculum is irrelevant to the materials needed to pass the bar.

    4. Finding out that neither the bar exam nor the entire law school curriculum explains court-room procedure.

  17. Bit late on this but I was doing biomed in university about 7 years ago. My anatomy tutor, who was Egyptian (I'm sure he still is but he's not my tutor anymore) was talking about his childhood, and slipped in whilst talking to about 25 students "Do you remember when you were a child and misbehaved, and your parents burned you with a match to punish you?" and laughed in that "I'm reminiscing" sort of laugh. And I'm glad he taught me. There is no better anatomy tutor than a suspected serial killer.

  18. Objection
    If nobody else in the class ever raises their hand to answer professor questions or there's an arrogant ass who continually answers incorrectly then argues with the prof about it, then raising one's hand to answer questions repeatedly might actually speed up the lesson and aid the entire class, assuming one is usually providing correct answers. Doesn't make one a gunner, the hallmark of a gunner, imho, is the predilection towards screwing other students over for personal, scholastic gain

  19. Isn't your first story pretty much true about any academic field? Tons of folks are incredibly gregarious, but not that good on tests.

  20. Forgive me for asking. How much did you earn on your first gig as a lawyer? Must have been enough to keep up your loan payments?

  21. "$160,000 is more than most people's houses" not here in the UK it aint that's actually the starting prices of most places. The closer to London you get the more expensive, case and point there is a 2 bed flat (relatively big but not huge) i saw the other day for 1.5M GBP that's approx 1.87 million dollars

  22. Objection! That sitting judge's story where you said he was insane, he was tactical, not insane. If he, as a legally knowledgable man, was insane or even just bloodthirsty, he would have thousands of legal options in his head on how to legally kill and-or maim the intruder. He chose to detain and intimidate him into never returning. I'm a former burglar among other opportunist incomes. There are two things that stop a burglar: Fear and respect. That judge did both. Fear by holding him hostage with a deadly weapon. Respect by letting him go. Tactical, not insane. Personally, it would have been all respect for me. If he lets me go, I know he is not a killer so fear evaporates. Respect because he saw me as a human being.

  23. 1. There is something on the right side of your face and it bothers me.
    2. DJ Stone sounds like a hilarious stage name.

  24. Yeah I live in a place with a lot of earthquakes too. Its kind of funny watching those out of towners freak out at quakes too minor for us to even realise are happening. If its less than a 3.0 it doesn't even register any more.

  25. I am a good student, but in law school, I never worked so hard earning C's in my life, trying to make sure I wouldn't flunk out. I did well though in Trial Advocacy, with an A.

  26. I guess Californians treat earthquakes the way Floridians treat hurricanes. In fact, it's typical of some Floridians if there is a hurricane to literally have a 'hurricane party' which may include a hurricane-themed cake. xD

  27. If the person from the first story was anything like me, he probably phoned it in on his assignments thinking his class participation and high test scores would get his teachers to slip him A's and B's. That was how I operated through all of grade school and it really bit me in the ass when I first went to college and couldn't get away with that anymore.

  28. I dont understand american grades, here a C is whats expected of you, it means you've passed the course, a B and A are only for exceptional work, not what the average student should strive for or even obtain.

  29. In med school we also had gunners… except they were actually as smart as they acted they were. They even graduated in the top 10 ranks at the end of all fours years.

  30. I am going on a comment spree but nowadays students can control how much debt they incur to go to law school if they get a good score on the LSAT. When I went to law school 3 years ago enrollment was declining and so rather than lowering tuition schools got into the practice of offering scholarships to most of the students to greatly reduce the cost of attendance. There are websites out their like Law school transparency that tell you the range of LSAT scores each school traditionally accepts. Manage to get on the higher end of the range or above and you will likely get some sort of scholarship. In my Fed Income Tax class one of the professors asked who got a scholarship to go to school and 95 percent of the class raised their hand. Mind you I went to a pretty good ABA accredited school. Compared to the sticker price of the school my scholarship allowed me to get out of law school at 50% of the price if I had not gotten the scholarship. Not everybody's the best test taker but the LSAT is learn able and probably costs about 400 bucks to take (including prep courses if you go that route) seems like a nut but even if you take the LSAT twice and spend 800 dollars you could save literally 10s of thousands of dollars in law school tuition (and interest on student loans) so the time and effort are worth it. (granted some schools may view multiple LSAT tries as a negative but you can likely find at least one good school that wants to grab your LSAT number + undergrad GPA to maintain their place or move up in the USNews Rankings). I am a fair to middling law student and my after schools salary really wouldn't inspire envy but as a single man with no dependents I live alright. The only thing you have to watch out for are law schools that offer you a "full ride" contingent on you maintaining something like a 3.5 or whatever the equivalent of top 20 percent of the class is. Obviously you want to try your best in law school but law school is stressful enough without you worrying about whether your ability to outwork your hyper intelligent, hyper diligent classmates will impose hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt on you. Also statistically a percentage of the class will lose their scholarship no matter how hard they try. Lawyers minimize risk, the conditions on my scholarship required me to get D's in every class before I was at a risk of losing it. (Difficult to do in a school where the lowest grade on the curve was a B-). Hopefully I'm not coming off as preachy but I just like to tell people that if you plan it out you can significantly reduce your law school debt. If you are hardworking enough to be in the top of your class and get top jobs+salary thats more money for you to reward yourself with. If you are unable to do that then its less of an impact on your standard of living/less pressure to take a job you are uncomfortable with.

  31. how horrifying. a student who wanted to engage in the discussion and get the most out of their lecture! seriously, the term gunner is typically reserved for the people who are not only trying to be the best but trying to take other student's down. no one should be ashamed to have the answers in class, or for actively participating. if you're not hurting others learning, you're not doing anything except making the most of your tuition dollars.

  32. here's the question. I know that my personal philosophy is that if you break into my house while I'm there, you forfeit your right to live, but did this judge go too far? idk. I personally probably would have restrained the burglar and held him at gunpoint until police arrived if he was compliant, but I don't know that I would say holding him longer than the few minutes for police to arrive is justified.

  33. I remember we had a mock trial/argument in elementary school and it was basically an incentive for all the kids to get super rowdy and start a war.

  34. 0:06 in my engineering class during the final, a guy shows up half an hour late, starts the test and answering questions then after another half hour screams “this isn’t Statistics” then runs out

  35. re Alan. Did he go to an expensive private school (as in High School)? I've found (in the UK) that people with a seriously expensive education have a lot of intellectual confidence even when their ability doesn't warrant it. I mean that in a less critical sense than it sounds.

  36. "smartest person in the room"

    This might be a common experience across most graduate students. In my first year of grad school there was one kid who, I thought, was the smartest one in my cohort or at least the smartest domestic student in my cohort, and s/he really was trying to sell that image. In the end s/he failed his/her 1st year exams and was booted out of the program, and I'm still here

  37. Threatening burglars with firearms is basically the West Virginia way. I just wish that stupid law that says burglars can sue you for injuries didn't exist :/ You break into someone's house with the intent on harming or stealing from them, you deserve everything the homeowners will do to you.

  38. Wow. That gunner story is exactly like mine. I was the biggest "hikke"/gunner of my high school but I never succeeded with paper exams, never. My teachers were frustrated since during the lessons I was doing excelent. Later at the end of my university studies I was diagnosed with dyslexia. That explains a lot and I wished the diagnose would come many years earlier.

  39. At the law school I attended, we had to take six classes in our first year (after that we took five per semester which I think is more common). Our first year finals were all at 1:00PM, every other day for two weeks (no finals on weekends). The final final was for Criminal Law, and by the end of studying every day for six finals I was pretty burned out. I went to bed having not completed my studying, intending to finish in the morning before the final at 1:00PM.

    I got a call at 9:15AM from the school support staff saying "why aren't you in your exam this morning?". Turns out that while the other five exams were all scheduled at 1:00PM, the Criminal final was scheduled for 9:00AM. I bolted out the door immediately, without completing my outline or finishing my studying, and was in the exam room writing by 9:30. Fortunately, around ten students all made the same error, so we were granted extra time to finish the exam (it was a three hour exam, so we were able to write until 12:30). Even more fortunately, I ended up with a B in the class.

    By far the most horrifying thing that happened to me in law school.

  40. Lol, my computer was trashed by a virus during my final semester of library school, when I was working on my final portfolio (basically my assessment for graduation); I had to scramble with less than a month to go, to reassemble all my work from scratch!

  41. Threatening a burglar or a home invader with a firearm if one's intentions are to scare them off or last ditch, smoke check them if endangered or protecting is not insane. Threatening a burglar with a firearm, barrel to the head, whilst he's preoccupied with being tied up in a chair, isn't insane, either. It is, however, unnecessary and loaded full of felonious actions. To speak of character, objectively, that man is brimming with moral perversity, especially since he was bragging about it.

  42. If you still have the drive you can probably get the files recovered. It might not be easy but unless you managed to damage the platters somehow, the data will still exist.

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