Education (Tertiary Education and Other Matters) Amendment Bill- First Reading – Video 7
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Education (Tertiary Education and Other Matters) Amendment Bill- First Reading – Video 7


this little sit-down for committee stage Nick’s sitting today I call on government ordered a number for education tertiary education and other matters amendment bill interactive interrupted debate on fishby yes when when this bill was interrupted Tracy Martin hid the call she had 9 minutes and 55 seconds but because that clocks don’t work that way we’ll give her book of a 1040 mr. speaker I’m sure there’s many a member of the South that it’s grateful for that extra 5 seconds for me um thank you mr. speaker so I rise on behalf of New Zealand first to talk about the education tertiary education other matters Amendment Bill New Zealand first won’t be supporting the bill and it shouldn’t be a surprise to anybody I’m sure it’s not a surprise and there’s the reasons why look this this pros and cons inside this bill and it is like every piece of legislation I suppose that the government put forward they there are some there are some real pluses in sight appear I think for example the strengthening of accountability and monitoring of tertiary education education organizations I mean there’s a good one who can argue with that what we have seen with several several instances of tertiary education providers who have had to have had to pay back money or have had to have investigations into them that we need to tighten up in these areas but we probably need to tighten up on the front ending I think that’s where New Zealand first would like to see some more effort from the government particularly and that is around when complaint we receive through our offices and I suppose you’d call them whistleblower complaints where people inside the institution’s actually call us and say this is what’s going on and this is not right and then but in two instances where those people have contacted my officers they have been NZQA has been contacted they’ve made some inquiry of the organisation usually by phone which is interesting they usually call their Pte and say hey this has been complained about is it true I’ve got the records that show that with one particular PTA they said well you yes but we’ve changed our practice now so we promise not to do it again and the NZQA went back to the complainant and said look they’ve said they won’t do it again so it’s so look it’s fine we’re just going to leave it alone the complainant has then been threatened with legal action by the PTA for taking the complaint through the appropriate channels so you know there’s some issues there around not only on the strength thing of accountability and monitoring but and if we hope that part of that monitoring is responding to complaints that are legitimately put through the system everything should be investigated I want to add into that we’re and we’re pleased to see also some of the the s20 about complaints being received with regard to international students and that goes to what we’re hoping we’re going to see is some more accountability of those like labor inspectors or others that are supposed to be protecting those educational visitors to our country from exploitation that is taking place and we know it’s taking place we’ve got case after case after case and and so what we’re hearing from the pts is that they are ringing up to again and form the appropriate government body that the that this exploitation is taking place but nobody shows up nobody follows up so what we’re hoping to to see if this bill goes through what we’d love to see from this government is actually recognition that there are holes in the accountability problem but we need to front-end them this government has done a good job and you can see I’m trying to be conciliatory the staff government has done a good job on increasing the penalties once we catch individuals at the other end but we’re not as Ignatian following up at the front end we need to be responding to these complaints both for our international education reputation beyond these shores so that these young people are not exploited but also because there is money involved here and it’s in its New Zealand taxpayer money what we that support is the extension basically to charter schools which is inside this piece of legislation so that’s where tertiary providers can then become a charter school sponsor and there’s some interesting bits and pieces about separating these people out and so on and so forth in the way that they would report downstream what would be public and what would be private information because they’d be a going concern etc etc we just can’t support the concept of charter schools doesn’t work public money should not be provided to private assets of a private business and this takes a public institution which are our universities gives them the capacity to create a private arm and become a sponsor of a charter school we cannot so we cannot support the widening of that concept and it’s worthy of mentioning too that there is no conversation in here even if those tertiary providers were able to start charter schools of any of the network mapping around provision and that’s what we’re seeing and the this government is having to deal with the downstream effects at say ARA polytechnic and so on where private providers have opened up businesses to directly compete with the public provision with no and it’s all with taxpayers dollars that’s the worst part of this concept 70% of the course costs that are being paid into both the public provision and the Pte sector is from the taxpayer so the taxpayer is competing with themselves across a network that there is no oversight over do we need any more provision in that Network and if tertiary providers were there we’ve now even got public provision competing with public provision it doesn’t make sense to us we wouldn’t be supporting them and there’s a couple of other things here oh there is some the protections the allowance for integrated schools and charter schools to bring international students under the discipline process out of school hours now again Maharani college we’ve dealt with that before through the contracts that we’ve had with the agents and with the students themselves but obviously there’s been a hole because the courts have have ruled on this now you can’t argue with that I do have a problem with I’m asking why de chine why are charter schools looking at international students if we listen to the rhetoric of why charter schools were originally set up and what how is it that charter schools need this protection for international students when according to the government in the whole of their logic and the whole of the rhetoric is they were set up for New Zealand students who are underachieving not but so are we going to now ask for international students who are underachieving to come in to charter schools is this a and worldwide indigenous peoples hunt for people who are underachieving because originally charter schools were for Mali and Pacifica students who were underachieving here so we don’t understand why a charter school would need this provision for international students we get it around integrated but we don’t get it around charter and there’s several other little bits and pieces that concern us sir but I’m not going to take the whole of my core because I’m really looking forward to hearing from the National Party members and who I hope we will work constructively at the Education and Science Select Committee with a respectful interaction and an open-minded environment as we move forward towards the 2017 election always hopeful the Honourable that go good you mr. speaker so I’m going

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