A solution to student debts in America | Sajay Samuel | TEDxPSU
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A solution to student debts in America | Sajay Samuel | TEDxPSU

Four hundred years ago, thousands seeking a better life
in the new world came as indentured servants. Too poor to pay the passage,
they got into debt and in exchange for working
up to 7 years in bonded labor. Today 14 million Americans are indebted
for their passage to the new economy. Too poor to pay their way through college, they now owe lenders
more than one trillion US dollars. They do find what jobs they can get to pay off a debt
that is secured on their person. In America, even a bankrupt gambler
gets a second chance. But it is nearly impossible for an American to get discharged
their student loan debts. Once upon a time, in America, going to college did not mean
graduating with debt. My friend Paul’s father
graduated from Colorado State University on the GI Bill. For his generation, higher education was free or almost free, because it was thought of
as a public good. Not anymore. When Paul also graduated
from Colorado State University, he paid for his English degree
by working part-time. 30 years ago, higher education tuition
was affordable, reasonable, and what debts you accumulated,
you paid off by graduation date. Not anymore. Paul’s daughter followed in his footsteps, but with one difference: when she graduated five years ago, it was with a whopping debt. Students like Kate have to take on a loan because the cost of higher education
has become unaffordable for many if not most American families. But so what? Getting into debt to buy
an expensive education is not all bad if you could pay it off with the increased income
that you earned from it. But that’s where the rubber
meets the road. Even a college grad
earned 10 percent more in 2001 than she did in 2013. So … tuition costs up, public funding down, family incomes diminished, personal incomes weak. Is it any wonder that more
than a quarter of those who must cannot make their student loan payments? The worst of times
can be the best of times, because certain truths flash up
in ways that you can’t ignore. I want to speak of three of them today. 1.2 trillion dollars of debts for diplomas make it abundantly obvious that higher education
is a consumer product you can buy. All of us talk about education
just as the economists do now, as an investment that you make
to improve the human stock by training them for work. As an investment you make
to sort and classify people so that employers
can hire them more easily. The U.S. News & World Report
ranks colleges just as the consumer report
rates washing machines. The language is peppered with barbarisms. Teachers are called “service providers,” students are called “consumers.” Sociology and Shakespeare
and soccer and science, all of these are “content.” Student debt is profitable. Only not on you. Your debt fattens the profit
of the student-loan industry. The two 800-pound gorillas of which — Sallie Mae and Navient — posted last year a combined profit
of 1.2 billion dollars. And just like home mortgages, student loans can be bundled
and packaged and sliced and diced, and sold on Wall Street. And colleges and universities that invest in these securitized loans … profit twice. Once from your tuition, and then again from the interest on debt. With all that money to be made, are we surprised that some
in the higher education business have begun to engage in false advertising, in bait and switch … In exploiting the very ignorance
that they pretend to educate? Third: diplomas are a brand. Many years ago my teacher wrote, “When students are treated as consumers, they’re made prisoners
of addiction and envy.” Just as consumers can be sold and resold
upgraded versions of an iPhone, so also people can be sold
more and more education. College is the new high school, we already say that. But why stop there? People can be upsold
on certifications and recertifications, master’s degrees, doctoral degrees. Higher education is also marketed
as a status object. Buy a degree, much like you do a Lexus
of a Louis Vuitton bag, to distinguish yourself from others. So you can be the object
of envy of others. Diplomas are a brand. But these truths are often times
hidden by a very noisy sales pitch. There is not a day that goes by without some policy guy
on television telling us, “A college degree is absolutely essential to get on that up escalator
to a middle-class life.” And the usual evidence offered
is the college premium: a college grad who makes on average
56 percent more than a high school grad. Let’s look at that number more carefully, because on the face of it, it seems to belie the stories we all hear about college grads
working as baristas and cashiers. Of 100 people who enroll
in any form of post-secondary education, 45 do not complete it in a timely fashion, for a number of reasons,
including financial. Of the 55 that do graduate, two will remain unemployed and another 18 are underemployed. So, college grads earn more
than high school grads, but does it pay for the exorbitant tuition and the lost wages while at college? Now even economists admit going to college pays off
for only those who complete it. But that’s only because high school wages
have been cut to the bone, for decades now. For decades, workers with a high school degree have been denied a fair share
of what they have produced. And had they received as they should have, then going to college would have been
a bad investment for many. College premium? I think it’s a high school discount. Two out of three people who enroll
are not going to find an adequate job. And the future, for them,
doesn’t look particularly promising — in fact, [it’s] downright bleak. And it is they who are going to suffer the most punishing forms of student debt. And it is they, curiously and sadly, who are marketed most loudly
about this college premium thing. That’s not just cynical marketing, that’s cruel. So what do we do? What if students and parents treated
higher education as a consumer product? Everybody else seems to. Then, like any other consumer product, you would demand to know
what you’re paying for. When you buy medicines, you get a list of side effects. When you buy a higher educational product, you should have a warning label that allows consumers to choose, make informed choices. When you buy a car, it tells you how many
miles per gallon to expect. Who knows what to expect from a degree say, in Canadian Studies. There is such a thing, by the way. What if there was an app for that? One that linked up the cost of a major
to the expected income. Let’s call it Income-Based Tuition or IBT. One of you make this. (Laughter) Discover your reality. (Laughter) There are three advantages, three benefits to Income-Based Tuition. Any user can figure out how much money he or she will make
from a given college and major. Such informed users are unlikely to fall victim
to the huckster’s ploy, to the sales pitch. But also to choose wisely. Why would anybody pay more for college than let’s say, 15 percent
of the additional income they earn? There’s a second benefit
to Income-Based Tuition. By tying the cost to the income, college administrators would be forced
to manage costs better, to find innovative ways to do so. For instance, all of you students here pay roughly
the same tuition for every major. That is manifestly unfair,
and should change. An engineering student uses more resources and facilities and labs and faculty than a philosophy student. But the philosophy student,
as a consequence, is subsidizing the engineering student. Who then, by the way,
goes on and earns more money. Why should two people
buy the same product, pay the same, but one person receive
half or a third of the service. In fact, college grads, some majors, pay 25 percent of their income
servicing their student debt, while others pay five percent. That kind if inequity would end
when majors are priced more correctly. Now of course, all this data — and one of you is going to do this, right? All this data has to be well designed, maybe audited by public accounting firms to avoid statistical lies. We know about statistics, right? But be that as it may, the third and biggest benefit
of Income-Based Tuition, is it would free Americans from the fear
and the fact of financial ruin because they bought a defective product. Perhaps, in time, young and old Americans may rediscover, as the gentleman said earlier, their curiosity, their love of learning. Begin to study what they love, love what they study, follow their passion … getting stimulated by their intelligence, follow paths of inquiry
that they really want to. After all, it was Eric and Kevin, two years ago, just exactly these kinds of young men, who prompted me and worked with me, and still do, in the study of indebted
students in America. Thank you for your attention. (Applause)

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26 thoughts on “A solution to student debts in America | Sajay Samuel | TEDxPSU

  1. "How to increase student debt in America" There…fixed your title.
    Maybe instead of telling the philosophy student that he is subsidizing the engineering student, which by the way is completely false anyways. Engineering students pay lab fees. Also engineering graduates donate more money to the school. But maybe we to give the philosophy major some hard truth, that his degree might not be financially worthwhile.

  2. I listend to this talk and disagree with much of it, but I think that thinking here and his comments are a good start to finding the right mix to solve this crisis, and it is a huge crisis.

  3. Veterans using military benefits from any generation for education was not FREE. If you think it was, lace up your boots, shoulder the rifle and allow me to show you how wrong you are. I'd like to offer you an all expense paid trip the Stan, a little para drop and you can fight your way back to that free education you mentioned, if you survive the trip.

  4. I graduated in 2002 and since then tried and tried to pay this off. It has been a mess. I owed 22k then. Now after all these years its about 28k and I keep going into deferment and it's no better. I'm going to default now and take my chances. After being homeless and living in my van for 6 months I am choosing a shelter over paying this loan back! I also filed bankruptcy in 2004 and 2013… Of course student loans aren't discharged…. The law was changed years ago to protect these scumbag lenders from this! Jobs aren't paying like they did years ago either. I feel like I wasted my time and money on a diploma that has not benefited me at all. I was just a young person being sold a promise of a better life with a college degree that did not do anything at all!!! Seriously.. It has taken me many years to understand this is a scam and universities are a business!!! point blank!!! A business!! Navient who services my loan has been useless to help! ! Useless!!!
    Crazy.. Seems like we just can't get ahead anymore.

  5. We need to stop letting government guaranteeing student loans. Yes, that will result on less people going to College. But it will also make College affordable again. People will be able to work through college and graduate with little debt or no debt at all!

  6. Here's a thought: get a useful degree. Engineering (nuclear, chemical, material, computer, mechanical, aerospace, etc.), medicine, law, biology, or any of the hard sciences are all worth the degree. Philosophy, communications, and other fine arts are not.

  7. I strongly disagree with this man. How about telling the Federal government to stop creating artificial demand for college degrees by stopping to keep interest rates artificially low.

  8. This doesn't address the issue of those already stuck in debt, only plans for a future. The whole system will have to be changed, and there is no way that those involved want that change to happen. Those stuck with the loans should revolt and overthrow the government. Too many of our leaders make money off of their misery.

  9. A college education in America has become a giant pyramid scheme to benefit only the banks and not the student. There is no return on your investment for a degree anymore. Just get a skill or a trade or become an entrepreneur and know how to make money. But don't go to college unless u pursue a professional field where it's mandatory.
    But the blame for this mess goes to the govt who made loans easy to get, and the corporations who force the supply of degrees to be higher. College used to get you into the middle class but now only gets you into the poor house. College used to have employers calling you, now it only results in the debt collectors calling.

    The entire American system is collapsing.

  10. The solution to student debt is to eliminate ALL student loans.
    Repeal the non-bankruptible status for student loans.
    A loan is a loan; no distinction without a difference.
    Prices always rise to consume subsidies; student loans are the easiest subsidy to obtain.
    Scholarships and grants were functioning just fine with ZERO obligation to repay.
    Only people who have the aptitude for their chosen higher education can qualify for scholarships and grants.
    Pain is the best teacher; do not forgive student loans, because that will only encourage continued bad behavior.

  11. Went to a trade school for 35k I was done in less than two years got a (useless) degree in business. Walked out earning 50k a year. Now 6 years later I am earning about 100k a year as a diesel technician. With my student loans paid off as of last year, and I cash flowed a truck and 100k in tools. There are other paths to earn a middle/upper middle class living. I do like your idea on income based tuition. I think if we went back to privatized loans and young people were put under a microscope for the degree they would like to get the same way a bank looks at an individual wanting to buy a home, we would see a lot less people in universities and a deflation in the price of higher education. Put the risk of lending in the hands of banks so that people wanting a loan for 50k for underwater basket weaving will be told NO. The government absorbing the risk of the loan is the same thing that happened in the housing bubble, the big difference is a home is a tangible resalable asset, an education is not.

  12. My children and grand children came to me for advice. I said that nursing was a good choice, but it is a very demanding job, and I said the trades were good. All who took these options now make over 100 thousand a year and with overtime can make thousands more a year.

  13. If they don't forgive student loans, can they at least provide jobs in train field of study alone with expected salary which prompted taking the loans.

  14. Awesome! Just watch an RT video where they present the Presidential Candidate Bernie Sanders proposing to do away with the 1.26Trillion student loan debt…bail out! A great idea, He's got my vote!

  15. I think it is simple to solve. Make college tuition cheaper. And make it hard way for student to apply financial aid.

  16. I would love to see it be taken one step further and make a high school diploma worth something by teaching high school students trades or skills they can actually use in the real world.

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